Scheel-man into your Tacoma, new member intro

Proxies aplenty: https://www.tolerance-stack.com/category/connector

 

The airbag bypass has never been an issue. Easy as utilizing resistors. The problem is the driver seat position sensor and the passenger seat weight sensors which the OPs mounts take consideration of which is nice.

edit: that being said $1200 for a seat mount is a lot to stomach. I’ll sooner stick with hose clamped OEM sensors which arms the passenger airbag all the same. Though I appreciate what looks to be a well crafted product.

 

Hits lotto ****

 

Correct. We just made the packaging a LOT nicer.

Correct and thanks.

Clamping the sensors isn't the right solution. Is the airbag system on? Is there a kid in the seat? If you clamped it down are you applying 50lbs of force? If you add a kid that is 50lbs are you ok arming the SRS system to full for an adult even though a kid is in the seat? Clamping the load cell is good to make the airbag function only one way.

There are several seatbelt tensioning presets based on weight. There are also several airbag settings based on weight. Clamping the sensor is the absolute wrong way to go about it because you preset the airbag system maximum regardless of who or what weight person/object is sitting in the seat. Unfortunately there are too many assumptions we've seen that people make about the Toyota airbag system and it's not for the benefit of the occupant. There is a reason we spent nearly a year testing our solution before making it public. It's not a strict mechanical fix. Our solution takes all of this into account and solves every single one of those issues.

edit: $1200 is for the passenger side, $300 for the driver.

 

They seem nice. Can you guys maybe make a video? how it looks, feels etc? like video with the seats installed in the taco

 

I don’t disagree keeping it in stock configuration is the best option. But you are also selling seats with no side airbag, and bypasses. Unless there is data out there to suggest the force from a fully clamped and armed passenger airbag system is going to harm a full grown adult (only person in my front seat), I will continue as is with my FRS seats that maintain side airbags.

 

The Recaro Sportster CS is a seat that's popular in German car circles and can be optioned with a side bolster airbag.

I'd definitely like to have better seats in the Tacoma, and scheel-mann seats are definitly an upgrade that would interest me, but not at the cost of safety.

 

Im not arguing with what you choose to do with your own vehicle. That's all on you to decide.

For everyone else, especially those with kids or pets that sit up front, clamping is 100% NOT the way to do it. Toyota specifically designed the airbag system in stages based on the weight on the occupant. There is more than one stage. Therefore Toyota knew there is going to be harm to someone getting a FULL airbag to the face as a child as apposed to a full grown adult. The "data" was enough to convince Toyota to enable airbags in stages based on weight.

 

When we started out doing the development of the seat pan for the 2nd and 3rd Gen Tacomas we didn’t have JUST the airbag SRS system and load-cell occupancy system to worry about. We were dealing with an aftermarket seat that was designed to sit parallel relative to the ground on provided seat rails. On our side we wanted to focus more on the average Tacoma user and what they were experiencing and it seemed that using seat lifters were very common, especially to the front edge of the seat. This created more rake and thus more support under the occupant’s thighs. This made longer trips more comfortable.

For us here at Tolerance STACK we had to contend with the overall angle of the seat mount, then the front seat rake, but we were also thankfully dealing with a well designed aftermarket seat that allows for the seat bottom to extend out which really helps for those taller folks out there.

We feel we hit that happy spot with our seating position to not only get the seat as low as possible but also keeping the actual seating position at the same height as compared with the Tacoma’s leather seats all while improving the front edge rake for greater support AND seat adjustability without the need of secondary seat lifters.

TLDR; if you are ok with your seat height now you will be fine with the seat height after switching out to aftermarket seats with the Tolerance STACK seat mounts.

 

Wonder if the FJ version would work on a 4runner.......?

 

Can I see the data, I’d like to educate myself.

edit: I’m not really trying to argue, as I like this product, just like I said the price for the passenger mount is not for me at this current time. But I can’t help but notice the hill to die on in my original comment in the thread is clamping sensors while the Scheel Mann seats effectively delete side air bags. No hate. Just an observation. I retain side airbags with the OEM FRS seats I run but have lost the passenger seat precision of weight increments. Who really knows what’s the “better” option.

 

The short answer is no. The slightly longer answer is the 5th Gen is its own beast. the 4th Gen, at least early 4th gens, didn't have load-cells but instead had a pressure switch only on the passenger side and a Hall effect sensor on the driver side. With a donor set of rails I could see this working but would like to test.

 

Every FSM has the info, it's actually where we got our info from. It's been our development bible.

Clamping the sensor puts the airbags at "maximum force" because it assumes there is a 200# person sitting in the seat. If you have no passengers ever OR if you only have 200# passengers then you have bookended the extreme scenarios in your truck. For literally everyone else with kids/dogs that ride in the front seat, this is NOT the "best" anything. It's just the wrong way to go with airbags. Sure, we can debate if deleting a side airbag is any "better" per se. But forcing the airbag at maximum isn't the solution.

 

I’ll have to look into it I’m curious does it give a breakdown of force by body weight?

 

I'd imagine you guys aren't on the East coast

 

Correct

 

Correct. Three settings for front airbag; OFF, child, adult. Then of course the baseline weights for those.

 

Another interesting thing to bring up is the fact that scheel-mann seats have a design in their seat bottoms that allow them to be lifted up to get access underneath. This was originally designed for the Defenders because the battery was under the seat. But for us Tacoma owners we get to utilize it for storage. We've specifically designed the seat bracket to take advantage of the space and allows us to design a storage bin for both the passenger and passenger seats.

 

@ToleranceSTACK , I am glad you posted here. You've answered most of the questions in my draft email to you. I'll be reaching out to you within a few months.

Anyone who has spent a considerable amount of time diving Tacoma and luxury cars knows that Tacoma seats are pure crap. 2 hours and I am out. So it is either a new truck or new seats. $6K is a sweet deal.