Honest thoughts on Toyota Reliability on 4th Gen going forward

On a turbo its up there, but I agree 100k is nothing if maintained properly for a naturally aspirated engine like ours. When wife wanted a new RX I said has to be 350 hybrid cause its the only one without the turbo, we are now actively trying to find a low mileage GX 460 which those have become basically gold and hard to find but I know I can expect 200k out of it with proper maintainence.

 

I had the opportunity to meet and befriend a Toyota engineer on their truck project teams obviously the guy didn’t reveal insider secrets and I don’t want to get into specifics too much to get him in trouble

but to put it best he reiterated what we all knew, he said when akio was ceo (grandson of founder) they implemented kaizen the philosophy of continuous improvement that’s why the models were long in the tooth but dead reliable

when they forced him to step down the new ceo and board wanted to take Toyota in the opposite direction trying new tech and new ideas which caused all kinds of engineering issues (again I don’t want to go into specifics of what he did or did not tell me) but there are definitely design issues on both the 4th gen taco and 3rd gen tundra and with the new prado j250 (wannabe Land Cruiser) and that’s why they delayed the 6th gen 4Runner which is identical to the 4th gen Tacoma 100 percent (they’re in panic mode trying to fix the fuck ups before they release it) hence the continuous launch delay

so yes obviously first year models are the most unreliable but the 3rd gen tundra has been out 4 years now and still has engine blowing up issues

basically with akio gone as ceo Toyota is no longer the same Toyota we knew and loved for reliability.

 

69,200 miles to be exact, put into service in February 2020...so a little over 4 years. Not daily driven, so less than 15K or so a year...I would not consider high mileage for age.

 

Time flies; who knew 2022 was four years ago.

 

Totally agreed, and age is completely irrelevant in this case. 70k should not be considered "high mileage" for any car built in the past 50 years or so.

 

If you search pretty wide there are quite a few certified Lexus 460's out there for a decent price. I was looking at them as well. I think if I make a move I my go the 4 runner route, if for not other reason than to not pay the Lexus repair tax when it gets up there in mileage. The other is that I think the 4 runner would suit some of my trips a little better.

Crazy how the Hybrids are gonna be the more reliable of the bunch since a lot of them are going to have the NA engine in them. (Trucks excluded)

 

I've struggled to find anything under 15k miles with black interior and white less than $65k in 300 miles of me. Carmax had one I was watching for over a month and someone snagged it before I could reserve (it went in mins).

 

My wife has 45k miles on her 23 RXh, I have 35k on my 2022, I dont think thats crazy mileage more the norm these days.

 

2025 model is out and 2022 models were launched fall 2021

Call it 3.5 years if it makes you feel better hoping Toyota will get it right in the fourth year but the truth is the 3.5tt is still highly unreliable

Toyota is replacing 100k engine not just the ones that have blown up. Why? Because they know every single one of them has a huge design flaw and are a literal ticking time bomb, they know it’s not a matter of it will blow up but when and when all eventually blow up that’s something they will never recover from ever that’s why they are replacing them. Not for goodwill you think the shareholders would allow that?

 

You could just say "my mistake", but you've doubled down against the math.

Apparently I was wrong about 2022, but fall of 2021 is still only 3 years ago. I don't give a shit about the Tundra's reliability or lack thereof, I'm just here for the facts (ironically, in this thread, it seems).

Between this and Shinobi being a dick for no reason, I think I'll sign off on this one. It's been fun y'all!

 

K goodbye Felicia apparently you’re too daft or dumb to realize the taco and tundra are both on the tnga f platform so if they fuck up one vehicle you think they’ll get it right with the other?

 

how many miles you at now? I like Bill's idea - upgrade to a 23 and ride it out if you're unsure

 

The platform really doesn't have anything to do with the engine a transmission. A platform is more or less the common shared design of the frame like under body of a car and its suspension system .

 

If I were in that position and drove a lot for the job/relied on a vehicle for my lively hood, and wasn't emotionally attached to a vehicle for whatever reason, I would put a warranty on it for a reasonable number of years and miles, run it all the way up to warranty, trade it and rinse and repeat. Toyotas do tend to be more reliable than others under those conditions.

As long as you pick the right model, and don't finance it for 10 years, it is highly likely that you will never be upside down on a trade and if you have issues you won't be out of pocket with the repair and get back on the road with limited loss of revenue from work.

 

Yes you’re right but the argument is Toyota is taking a whole new approach to both the new gen tundra and taco and since the tundra isn’t brand new anymore you can’t blame it on first year bugs but rather an overall flawed approach to design and execution

While they don’t share the same drivetrain Toyota themselves said the taco is a shrunken down tundra so the same philosophy is used for both it’s not like we are talking tundra and Camry or Corolla here

 

the 460 is a sweet ride

 

over 18k a year miles is high mileage

 

It's a good thing that I drive less than that I guess.... Depends on where you are from. In my state, 18K a year is the average. I am under the average.

The average is what one of the factors in determining value...that is one of the reasons why you are usually asked for your zip code when getting a value quote.


https://www.thezebra.com/resources/driving/average-miles-driven-per-year/

 

Who are you talking to?

 

The Gen 4 is a new version 1.0 product.
Like all v1.0 products it will have bugs that get fixed as engineering changes slip-streamed into product.
Every other Gen of Toyotas had problems in the first model year, so I expect the Gen 4 Tacoma to be the same.