CV Axle snapped @ 8k miles

Trust, but verify. Post pics of the front diff mounts please, since you didn't do the install yourself.

 

My assumption was based on simulated off-road driving characteristics using ramps and measuring maximum articulation. This did not including jumping the vehicle where both front tires would be airborne (drooped) simulanteously.

This was based on Tinkerer's youtube video comparing 3G to 4G suspension attributes. When using the sway bar disconnect the 4G improved front wheel articulation (increased droop) over having the sway bar connected.

Start at 9:30 seconds (and 18:29) into this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE3lbi89DNI

 

^"Jumping" to assumptions again. There are other scenarios to fully droop the front wheels besides being airborne. Slowly cresting over an obstacle and getting high centered can do it, my own example below. You're usually moving the steering wheel back and forth trying to find traction at that point, too.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uW0VztHMmNA

All the people saying OP's problem is caused by preload are wrong. The suspension should not be set up to self-destruct at full droop, period.

 

I've approached being high centered differently... I immediatly pile/wedge rocks in front and/or back of the tires to allow the front-end to climb a few inches up and off the high center point avoiding further damage. I don't spin the tires, swinging the steering back and forth hoping for some form traction, especially far from any assistance and risk breaking a CV axle at full lock.

Point is, the front sway bar disconnect does in fact add droop to the 4G in most offroad situations vs not having it unless you are jumping or, in your case, high centered.

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^Except getting centered off-road is very common. Yes you can back up a little if possible, gravity assisting, and shift over your line by a few inches (which is what I eventually did in that case), stack rocks, get a pull from another truck in your group, etc.

 

Think any of that advise would work in my local terrain when going solo?

I could only get my silver hood in the gopro footage.. How would you handle a high center here on a log under the water or ruts so deep that the entire frame is on the ground? My go to would be a front winch taking all the stress off the driveline when the $hit hits the fan and avoiding walking miles out. Know what muskeg is?

 

You have a winch?

 

Going off-topic here. You posted two screenshots that doesn't really show anything, but based on your description, you just supported my point that getting high-centered off-road is frequent, and doesn't require jumping the truck to unload the front suspension.

Yes we have swamps here too, some enough to sink a Sherpa. If you're wheeling alone then a winch is strongly recommended.

 

your generalizations show your ignorance and stupidity in the field of engineering and design.

 

What insurance do you have to covers that?

 

Good god...something is waaaay off, if I can beat the shit out of my 2nd gen OEM inner and outer CV's both crawling and now in the desert and NEVER have an issue somebody did "NOT install something correctly.
I am sure there are a ton of others who just as much if not more beating on their OEM cv's with no issues.

Whoever did the lift id bring it to them, and perhaps find another dealer to take it too?



Example: https://youtu.be/4xTmdYF6zmA?si=5kTV51yXr_4DLEcc

 

Likewise

 

No, not off topic at all.

You were handing out what you thought was advise for getting unstuck from being high centered.

Your advise for my local terrain is worthless when putting the frame on the ground.

I'd already mentioned that when high centered on rock I' don't sit and turn the front wheels looking for traction due to risk of snapping a CV axle especially on a week or two long overlanding trip. That is one of the most common ways to break one.

 

Nope:

You were spreading bad information as though a swaybar disconnect warranted CV axles with more droop, so I corrected you for the benefit of others reading. You assumed the only way for two wheels to be off the ground at the same time was jumping the truck. I then showed you getting high centered would do it, and it's frequently encountered. You then went off on a tangent about stacking rocks, while I mentioned several potential ways of getting unstuck. It wasn't intended to be advice. I don't give a shit if you get stuck. Stacking rocks though would also be worthless when you're in a muskeg.

 

distortion at its best..We are in the 4G thread. I was just quoting Tinkerer in his video providing the details about updated front 4G CV axles (double offset) that offer improved performance/strength at max articulation with the sway bar disconnect. That option on the 4G that provides more front articulation than your 3G. With those increased driveline angles, wider lower a-rms and the revised CV axles that can accomidate improved articulation. I guess I should have been a bit more specific just for you.

Here is my entire post including what you left out:

Point is, the front 4G sway bar disconnect does in fact provide more droop to the 4G in most offroad situations vs not having it unless you are jumping or, in your case, high centered.



How how about another belly flop show on the rocks with your Taco!!
Then you can spin your tires in the air like it is going to make a difference... like a teen doing
donuts in an intersection...

I'll continue to stack rocks under the front tires just like Matt's Offroad Recovery does to free a rockered frame to avoid any further damage underneath in the middle of nowhere. You do whatever you want, I don't really care what you think. See ya in Moab in March if you can find your way there. I could use some good entertainment.

If you see a guy on a white Husky 501 laughing and roosting you when you are trying to make it up Olds or China Wall in Glamis that will be me.

 

Distortion? This is what you said earlier:

And you continue to make this false connection:

"Most offroad situations" is the false assumption. You got high centered too, supposedly when you're on your frame in a muskeg. In addition to that, any time you (or I) drive off a ledge on the trail, the suspension has a probability of going into full droop. You have ledges in your region, right? Point is, full droop happens often enough that a CV axle needs to accommodate it, sway bar disconnect or not.

 

So you're saying they are hiring techs!!! OMW!

 

Flat rate techs being paid a fraction of actual time for warranty work. That's why many good techs left for indie shops.

 

Geico w/added maintenance. Available for new vehicles.

 

Generalizations? Lmfao....no. Its called "first hand experience"....and Im tired of constantly dealing with their egos, attitude, and widespread incompetence to understand that real world application doesn't always match up with application on paper. I'm tired of fixing THEIR mistakes when having parts ordered and then nothing fits right because half the parts are metric and the other half are SAE because their swelled heads are so sensitive, they refuse to communicate with each other on top of it all. Three engineers and they all believe THEY are the one that's right, and the other two are wrong.