New Toyo Open Country A/T III tire

It's the smaller wheels. I still have no idea why, but for whatever reason every single size I've seen in the 15" and 16" wheels are mild sidewalls. For everything 17"+, SL is mild and LT is aggressive.

It makes no real sense. Combine that with the poor tire choices and I kind of wish I was still using my 17's. Which I could go back to, but I wanted my truck to be original again. My ideal would be the C load 265/70R17 and call it done. I may do that again but I like my OR wheels. I am probably going with the e load 265/75 next time. Little heavy but I think they'll drive fine.

 

The Toya Open Country are 62 lb!?

 

Choose a size, heavier and lighter
https://www.toyotires.com/product/open-country-at3/

 

I’d be interested in a comparison of the AT3’s and the new KO3’s. My SL’s are still going strong w 23k miles on them and 10/32 tread. And they’re still quiet and grip well on wet roads. The softer blocks will slide on gravel at moderate speed but it’s controllable once you get used to the movements. IMO the best behaved AT tire for on road and comfy too. Best laws they don’t last. I will be probly making it till late summer next year and looking to another pair. Boring look yes but they’re a great all around commuter tire

 

Yea the look of the SL is why I returned them went w the LT. I Love the look of the LTs. Such a great looking tire imho. I’m super happy with them. Ride so smooth and I’ve had them in the rain now and I agree they’ve been great in the rain WAY better than my ridgegrapplers.

 

They look good with the volks.

 

Hey brother thank you!! Yea the wheels match nice w the tire I thought.

these are blast black. I’m debating getting the same wheels but in Diamond Dark Gun metal but I do really like the all black look.

 

Yes...I'm at 35k but it's horrible. I purchased my LT 265/75/r16 E range in late 2021 for my 2017 Tacoma.. I believe I got the BSW varient that at the time supposedly had a slightly higher silica compound and were slightly taller. I could have those details wrong but that's my memory. I'm about to hit 35k and my god are they awful. For approximately the first 15k of life the tires were quiet, handled well in the dry and we're comparable to a fresh set of BFG KO2s in the wet, on the snow, and on ice. Off road performance was mediocre but as expected from a tire like this. Basically as soon as I hit 15k the tires became MT loud, despite consistent rotation and good alignment. They lost all performance on dirt, wet, ice, and snow. Acceleration and deceleration is unbelievable poor and once the minimal lateral grip adhesion is overwhelmed on any surface, recovery is a substantial task. For the first 15k of use I was honestly super impressed and recommended them to numerous people. That being said, 15k of life and beyond I can honestly say these are among the worst performing tires I've ever used. Additionally, I developed substantial dry rot approximately a year ago that Toyo would not warranty due to the tires not being a factory size.

For context, I live in western Colorado and spent a substantial amount of time on normal dirt roads in the summer and icy/snowy highways. Throughout my time in Colorado I've had various company provided half ton pickups that see approximately 35-50k a year of high speed on road driving, snow driving, and off road driving. Between personal Tacoma's and issued cars, I've had substantial experience in identical conditions with Duratracs, original BFG KOs, KO2s, destination xt, Wildpeak at3ws, Goodyear at adventurers, , Nitto G2 Terra grapplers, Cooper at3s, and most recently Goodyear workhorse ATs. I'm not a big fan of any of the listed tires other than the Destinations, Duratracs, and AT3Ws, but all of those tires have been run below 4/32nds and have performed better at that depth than my Toyos with their current 6-7/32s. The only exception is that these tires seem to perform comparably to well worn G2 Terra grapplers, which aren't know for good ice or wet performance.

The tldr is that cannot speak more poorly about the long term performance of the Open country ATIIIs. There are numerous better options out there and plenty of hard data to support it. I really wanted to like this tire and still want to like it, but it fails in so many subjective and objective ways.

 

Yep, same experiences and issues with 265/70/16 SL. After two sets of them I'm ready for another brand. My fronts are wearing much better than the first set with a fresh alignment, but the rears have significantly less tread. I carry 200-400lbs of stuff in the bed at any given time including the weight of the Bakflip X4S.
About 20k miles so far on this second set. The compound is just too soft for the truck.

Something I noticed on this second set is they run a little out of round until warmed up. Kind of like a bias ply tire as opposed to a radial. They're balanced right, so I wonder if I got a bad batch.

The first set rode and drove noticeably better.

 

Wonder if you’re experiencing what I experienced with my 265/70R16s. They said they were balanced for sure, but they intermittently felt bad and then sometimes better. Of course, discount did the work so there is some questioning there.

For what it’s worth, unless alignment is out, the fronts will always wear slower than rear in a RWD. The continuous driving force wears them out much more than braking and turning. So that part sounds normal and the fronts would start to wear once they go back there.

My 265/75s were great for 15K miles and now they have a shake to them and discount hasn’t fixed it. After reading the review above, instead of going with the 265/75 E’s, I think I’m gonna try something else also.

I’m thinking that I want to go back to quiet and reliable. Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 in the stock size are looking mighty appealing for my use. Only thing is they are unbelievably boring. Another option is the stock size General grabber ATX, but they’re backorder everywhere except discount tire. Want to go somewhere else.

 

lmao, I was about to post I'm headed to Costco for set of old man Michelin ltx's, but deleted it. I might give the bfg k03's a whirl, but I wouldn't expect anymore out of them than the Toyo's.

 

Lol. I’ve considered waiting for the stock size KO3 (they release in February), but then I see things like the guy in the KO3 review thread who was spinning out on wet grass and had two of his have balance problems. Just makes me feel like I’m going to have the same or worse headaches than I’ve been dealing with. I hear their traction is better than KO2, which I believe, but that isn’t saying much. Probably still significantly worse than SL Toyos and I bet about on par with LT Toyos.

Probably going to end up with the Michelins, but we’ll see. It kills me to say that. It doesn’t help that for 4 days last week I drove a company F-150 for 500ish miles and it had the previous model Defenders. It reminded me how nice they are to drive on. Just so quiet, smooth, and nice handling. You stop thinking about tires and just enjoy the drive. As far as looks go, at least the MS2 has a better looking sidewall, so they aren’t terrible. Definitely better looking than the previous, and they’re XL rated to help be more sturdy in turns at speed.

 

I’m at 26k on my SL’s and still 10/32” no balance issues cept the above statement they will rumble a couple miles when cold then smooth out as they warm up. I’m mostly wet pavement and keep my pressures at around 29-30 cold. Carry maybe 150 pounds in the back. The Bakflip doesn’t weigh crap. I don’t go off-road as many much as I used to so it’s mostly a road warrior but I have hr to 2 commutes and drive fast and demand a lot from my tires. Aside from the occasional spin out on wet road paint they have done as advertised. I think parts of the country and road conditions dictate wether these tires last 20k or 40. I don’t think they’re too soft for these little trucks. I think they’re just right. Those duratracs are soft. These are all n the sweet spot imo. Again, location driving style and conditions dictate tire wear. If I had a tire that wore out after 15k I’d just run KO2’s if you want the looks or Michelins.

 

10/32 left at 26K?? Not saying I doubt you, but that is unheard of for these.....got any photos showing that? That would be marvelously impressive if so.

In my experience, the first 2/32 go away almost immediately as they are the little pad on top of the tread blocks. Once that goes away you're already down to 10-11/32 and then also in my experience by 10-15K you end up down to 7-8 at minimum. I can't imagine being any higher than 5-6/32 at 26K miles, and like most here, completely worn by 30-35K.

 

Took this last monthThis is the inspection sheet from last weekend at the dealer getting oil change
I got those wheels and tires summer of ‘23 and the truck had 21k on it. I really was expecting faster wear but not complaining. I rotate every 5k and as you can see the box not checked on the rotation in the inspection sheet I don’t let anyone rotate my tires out of fear they’d overtorque the lugs. I do however do a lot of highway miles so maybe that’s why they lasted so long. On average I’m driving 100 miles a day

 

I had Toyo mud terrains on a jeep, never tried the AT's. I will say I have had the ko2 on a Tundra, Dodge 1500 and Ram 2500 as well as my 17TRD OR now and on my second set at over 90,000. Some towing and a lot of off road and love the ko2. Mainly southwest desert and mountain terrain with sand, granite and a lot of rocks and boulders. Very little snow, ice and rain, but they did fine for me in those environs. Commuting they have been very good, no road noise deep into the tire's life like some have said here regarding the Toyo. No balance issues either. Tires are so damn expensive I haven't had the desire to experiment only to spend $$$ on tires that don't work for me, so I stay with the known so there could def be a better tire out there I have not tried.

 

Forgot to add- 285/75/16, cross rotated every 5000.

 

Wanted to share my long term experience with the AT3's in LT255/80R17 rotated every 5000 miles (50,000 total), driving in the southwest US with some towing. Things started out good, the tires were loud for about the first 1000 miles but improved after. They seemed great in the dirt and on road and snow performance was better then the Cooper STMax. After about 20,000 miles I noticed the wet weather performance was not great, snow was still ok but rain left a lot to be desired, dirt performance was still good. At this point the tires started to get really loud but thats par for the course of off-road tires. Getting to 40,000 miles, the tires still had great dirt and dry performance but would slip on the boat ramps or just about any water on the road, snow performance had declined as well. I was able to get an extra 10,000 out of them and decided to swap right at 50,000 miles. If you drive in mostly dry conditions, I think 50,000 is doable but a little bit of a stretch. Near end of life they were loud and I had no trust in the wet weather performance. Decided to switch to the Dynapro XT's and have been very impressed with their performance, very quiet for an AT and great wet weather performance so far.

 

It's posts like this that make me completely question the tires I have on my list of potential replacements for when the time comes. It seems I'll get all ready to plunk down my money, then I'll read some posts like this that send me back to square one.
My current short list of tires is, in order:
1. Cooper Rugged Trek. They look really cool and are supposed to be decent. I've had Coopers before and haven't had issues. However, when I search online, I'll see some posts where guys had major issues. Flukes? who knows.
2. Wildpeak AT4W. I was all set to get these, then I saw the testing that TFL did (I know, I know...) and now am questioning how decent they'll be in the snow.
3. Duratrac RT. I currently have the regular DT and have zero issues with them, other than the noise. The traction they offer for my use is great. They'll break free in the rain if I smash the gas pedal, but other than that, I'm confident with them in all sorts of weather.
4. Toyo Open Country AT3. They seem to be a popular tire, so maybe others know something I don't?

My intended use for my tires is:
1. Daily driver/commuter
2. Location is Midwest, so I see all four seasons, snow, rain, heat, etc..
3. Off road consists of muddy farm fields/pastures in the fall hunting seasons, muddy/dirt roads in the spring for fishing and camping.

 

I think the life expectancy of the tires and what they really get is subject to location, road conditions, use, and probably more importantly marketing games. My tires are great for now but like above said, they won’t last 60k. I’ll be lucky to get another season out of them. Once the tread blocks get worn down, the flexibility of them drops and traction worsens exponentially. It’s all about your use and how much you want them to last. I’m OK with 40k then replace. I’m not about to drive around on insufficient tread so that’s my deal. In the wet PNW you need good traction and the Toyos are hard to beat inside the life window. They are a softer compound so the SW heat probly would wear them more. I’d base my tire selection off of location and conditions then driving style and use