Anyone here considering a 4th gen?

Huh. You're not carrying 2 drivetrains, though. The Rav4's system is literally simpler than the Tacos, rear is eAWD, front are 2 motors integrated into the planetary gearbox, with no gears ever coming disengaged, just the speeds of the motors changing gear ratios (or direct driving the wheels). Input motor is extra, sure, but it's a motor that's always run at peak efficiency, and there's a bigger (but about 1/4 th size of an equivalent BEV) battery pack. And it's not like packs are light, either. And tbh, the MPGes on my Rav are comparable to other electric CUVs.

And, like I said, BEVs are fine on short runs but eventually you run out of juice, and liquid fuels are both a) easier to carry more of, b) more energy dense. Can't jerry can a BEV, and @2mi (5km) per kWh, even a 400kW panel x 6h of sunlight (assuming you're correctly pointed/not cloudy/trees/etc) will get you 2.4kWh a day, or ~10 miles. Meanwhile a 5gal jerry can will get you 100 miles of range (@20mpg).

Right? That'd be lovely for house power when boondocking, when panels aren't generating enough.

I was doing some christmas tree hauling this weekend with the PHEV rav. All the fun torques, and yeah, I got called to do some extra runs after I finished and ran out of electricity, and was still getting 25ish MPG hauling the trailer around town.



See? Why I don't really feel the need for another taco, at this point. Taco is basically just the offroad / boonie camping toy.

But, if I did feel the need for a taco replacement, something like the Ramcharger or Terra (w/ genset) would make sense, or even just the Rav4 Prime drivetrain in a unibody (aka Maverick)

 

The only way I’d consider a 4th gen is if God forbid my 3rd gen gets totaled. Even then I’d prob wait until the 25s are out.

My ‘23 Sport 6MT only has 18000 miles and is fully paid off… zero reason to switch. I’m expecting many years and miles out of her.

 

Congrats on the early payoff. My 16 TRDOR is ~90k miles (commute usage dropped off completely after 2020) and fully paid, too.

 

I'm over here considering a Rwd 4G for simplicity no CV axels and what other advantages a Rwd offers. I prefer 2wd, today's snow would render the Rwd pretty much useless. The office is closed today, but that isn't always the case.

 

The local dealer for SnugTop was taking orders for the 2024-25 Tacoma short bed Rebel model in November.
I ordered one on November 13th. The dealer made it clear...10-16 weeks.
That is fine, I am not in a hurry. I had a prior SnugTop I liked, and the choices are limited.
Good luck!

 

Tbh good tires make everything fine in most snow conditions. That said, having 4wd/awd and traction tires means that I don't have to chain up in the passes with chain requirements here, so it's a huge timesaver on the ski runs.

 

I like the tech, but not the looks. Maybe they'll grow on me someday. Kudos to Toyota for still offering MT, but why no access cab MT?? I want less cab/more bed for my trucks. YMMV.

 

I don't think I'm going anywhere if I got to put chains on my personal vehicle. I've had winter tires on a Fwd car and got around fine. I was considering getting some winter tires for my truck. Chances are if I had them they wouldn't be on the truck, and if I wasn't using them every seaons I'd probably have a set of bad winter tires laying around. My commute consists of urban, interstate, and rolling country roads it's only takes 20-30 minutes but I like having 4wd for those country roads in case a tire slides off the pavement.

Winter tires on an Awd like your Rav4 is probably the best for winter driving. Last season I didn't need to use 4wd once.

 

As owner of both the 2nd and 3rd gen, my next Tacoma will be a 2nd gen with 4.0.

If I were looking for the technology and hating myself, I'd get a BMW.

 

The Scout is very intriguing - my wife is on the reservation list (whatever that really means).
I just bought a 4G TRD Sport. I like this better than my 2017 TRD OR. Only thing I liked better about the 3G was the access cab and 6ft bed. The 4G has way more pep in its step.

 

Yeah it's basically a snow season requirement here if you do the mountain passes or other designated 'snow zones' Basically as long as you have chains in the vehicle, and have 4/AWD + traction tires (3mpf), you don't actually have to put on the chains even when it's 'chains required'. So huge time saver (and you can go a lot faster heh)

https://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/Chain-Law for reference.

 

Wait two more weeks.

 

Laughable statement. 4 cylinder Hybrid with reduces output on ICE outperformances v6

 

Not a fan of the 4th gen body style and boated look.

I would go to a Land Cruiser or 4Runner before that one if I had to get another Toyota.

 

I passed a 4th gen today and I'm embarrassed to say.....It looked sorta ok! It's not the first time I've warmed up to a car styling I disliked at first. Not saying I love the design just yet but maybe by the time I actually completely like it the beta testing will be complete.

 

I was until I drove one. Not 3rd gen owner hate on new gen as I do think it is overall a "better" truck than my 3rd gen Tacoma. Reality of it is though, I liked the Tacoma less than every other midsizer I drove when looking to replace my 8 year old Tacoma. Frontier, Colorado, and Ranger all were ahead of the Taco on my scoresheet.

Colorado Z71 spanked the Taco as far as power and tech went. Big difference in price here as well.
Ranger with the 2.7 TTV6 was buttery smooth compared to the agricultural feel of the 4 cylinder in the Taco.
Frontier V6/9 spd tranny was amazing, rest of truck not so much though. MPG was bad here as well.

Ranger was going to be my choice simply for the motor alone. More room in backseat area as well.

I have a buddy that is a GM tech and he didn't fill me with warm and fuzzy feelings about the Bowtie product, The Frontier really needs to upgrade their interior, it reminded me a ton of my old Xterra from 2005. Not in a good way for almost 50k.

4th gen Taco felt underpowered (non hybrid, hybrid was a non-starter for me) and overpriced for what it is. Back seat area a total let down vs. others in class, complete loser here. Ultimately, since it is a Toyota, it carries the belief it will be better long term, but who knows anymore. Tacoma even with big discounts is a big ask nowadays vs. it's competition and the numbers I was seeing.

I ended up going full size and liked the F-150 with the V8, a lot. Like a lot lot. Was prepared to go that way and then a bolt fell out from the dash and hit my leg on the return test drive to the dealer and sorta killed that idea. Total buzzkill.

I ended up with a '25 Platinum OR Tundra and am happy.

I can see why the 4th gen Taco is popular and why people like it, it just wasn't for me and that's just the way it is. I was and I guess still sort of am just stunned by how much it missed me.

 

My brother bought the same Tundra. If I had the money, I would have done same thing. But I paid cash and had a budget. Did not want any kind of payment and the Tundra Platinum definitely would have busted that.
Ford would not deal, Chevy interior is horrible, and I'm not a fan of Nissan. So Tacoma it was, but I'm very pleased with it. Enjoy the Tundra.

 

I think reliability wise its not that bad. The original 5.7 Tundra V8 also had huge issues when it first came out, first years were horrible. So did the 1GR-FE 4.0L in 4runner & taco, it also had lots of issues. The main thing is to avoid first 3 years of new generation of any truck or car really. Considering yours is 2017, it has outdated parts that later were updated due to recalls. The Toyota is reliable because they follow thru recalls and make it right. Just like what's happening with Turbo V6 Tundra's now, same thing was happening with old legendary V8s. Its just now we have media and all and it spreads faster.

You will find TONS of videos about Tundra V8 having problems in first years, same for 4.0L V6.

If you do want a new ranger, I would still wait first 2 years to pass of new gen and then get it.

Its really sad to hear about your Taco having issues, tell us more about the engine issue maybe?

 

I'm seriously considering a 25. My 2021 OR has had more issues than any other Tacoma I have owned. I have had the timing cover leak, the clutch pedal squeak and a leaking front axle seal. I figure the axle seal was related to the timing cover repair and the clutch pedal has been replaced but I think I'm just done with it.

I'm lucky enough to get the Toyota employee discount (which I got on my 21) so I'll probably get at least what I paid for the 21 and a very good discount on a new one. I just want to wait it out a little more to see how the new ones progress reliability wise.

 

I like it but its not enough to make me switch from a 2021 pro to the new pro($69k no thanks), or a nicely equipped OR. Did a comparison and the new one looks pretty nice, but haven't driven one. Also the very reason i'm taking my time paying mine off at 1.9 interest.

Concerned on reliability also. The 2024 has a nice discount so far, because no one is buying them. Would probably wait another year and go for a 2025/26 and see how long the motors/transmissions are lasting.