Seeking Input

Current:

3rd Gen TR OffRoad 4x4 with constant 300 lbs weight. Truck is currently leveled with the weight.

I don't to extreme offroading, but do go out to easy to moderate trails and camp out for days at a time .

Already have skids, sliders, and proper tire set up.


My goal:

2 inch lift in the front
Keep the factory rake with 300 lbs. constant weight (so the rear needs to gain 3.5 inches, right?)
Truck leveled 500 - 600 lbs load in the bed (not sure if there is a way to choose leaf pack based on the load).
I'd also like to go faster confidently than current on washboards/whoops, etc... under control without bottoming out.

My plan
Front: Bilstein 6112
Rear: Bilstein 5160
Leafs: AAL or a leaf pack to achieve 3.5 inches for my weight

Questions:

What AAL or leak packs do you recommend?

I was thinking deaver half pack but that would only give 1.5 inches (meaning that I'd need to add blocks) and not sure if this is proper setup for my weight/goal since Dever does not advertise weight rating on this and do not like adding a block for what I want.

I do not see weight ratings on many leaf pack brands. How does one find out the rating and if a pack is the right one for one's application?

Thanks.

 

Deaver U402 Expedition pack comes in three stages.

2 inch lift on 3rd gen:
Stage 1 @ 0-300 pounds
Stage 2 @ 400-600 pounds
Stage 3 @ 700-1000 pounds

Sounds like Stage 2 might be good for you. I'm running Stage 3, and without my camper I've got like a six inch rear lift on my 2nd gen (one inch more lift than on a 3rd gen). At less than 400 pounds you'll be over the rated 2 inch lift.

 

Also, I'm running the 6112s and 5160s like you mention, and I've liked them.

 

Thank you. When they say 2 inch lift. does it mean 2 inch lift at max lbs for each stage? If so, I wonder what how much weight does their add a leaf (https://deaverspring.com/product/ta...years-3-leaf-overload-replacement-1-1-2-lift/) give you 1.5 inch lift?

 

The U402 leaf packs are rated to have approximately 2 inches of lift (on a 3rd gen) when the bed load is within the ranges listed.

The Add-a-leaf you listed, as they don't give any weight rating, I'm pretty much positive that is 1.5 inches of lift with zero weight in the bed.

 

Thanks, so I think any add a leaf won't be an option for me with the weight i'm carrying with the planned lift unless I have a block. What are your thoughts on adding a block with add a leaf? I wonder how the ride quality would be with this set up.

 

I'm not a fan of an add-a-leaf unless you're putting them in a brand new leaf pack. A lot of people slap them into an old worn out leaf pack and wonder why they didn't get the rated lift, when in reality the curve of the add-a-leaf is just fighting against the flat or upside down arch of the worn springs.

and as for blocks... if it was just a small one, maybe it'd be ok. Not more than an inch, for sure. They make axle wrap more severe the bigger they are. A beefy leaf pack is more suited to what you want, even if it's not Deaver you decide to go with. I know the price can turn folks off to the brand, which is understandable.

 

thanks for the info. appreciate it!

 

I would say the Deaver U402 stage 2, or even stage 3 (if you have constant weight) with Accutune u-bolt flip kit and bump stops to prevent harsh bottom outs. I think the U402 stage 2 will give more like 2.5” lift unloaded. Give Accutune a call and discuss what you’re looking for.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Thanks for your input. Looks like i need a leaf pack. I was hoping AAL (purely to drive cost down).

How are these compared to the Deaver S2? https://yotamafia.com/product/arb-m...StBqii0VuWcEoyp5GWbbhA3EsotGZV18aAkE3EALw_wcB I understand OME/ARB is a reputable company, but wonder what would be the major difference between the two (other than the price difference). It's advertising that is "able to handle a constant load of 330lbs" with 2 inch of lift which would be perfect.

I'm hoping to complete the project around $3.5k with install and alignment. Am I too hopeful?

Oh yeah, you're right since there is already 1.5 inch rake. 2 inch lift in the rear would give me 3.5 lift total.

 

Where you located? You might be able to find a local thread on TacomaWorld with folks that might be willing to help with install. I've been lucky to have a friend that is MUCH more mechanically inclined then myself. We did my rear leaf springs and shocks in about an hour in his driveway. Was similar amount of time to install the front coilovers in his garage. My biggest issue is not having the tools to do it, but some folks might be willing to help you out for some pizza and beer! I've learned a lot doing it this way, passing tools and being an extra set of hands. It could save you a few bucks for sure.

 

I have the Icon heavy duty, running around 500-600lbs in the back, gave me 3+" at the
time, now with the added weight, still around 3"
Also stopped my squeaking

 

Are you on dcsb/aclb or dclb? Check out dobinsons listing's as they show a variance between the wheel bases and load capacities for each leaf pack. After my experience with an ome medium pack compared to buddies on his aclb it really does make a difference.

 

oh. It's DCSB. Thank you for the recommendation.

 

Then you should be good with other manufacturers listed specs.
I personally run a dobinsons 112 pack and have been much happier with them over my old ome packs. Deavers look to be the the top of the pile but they are pricey. The dobinsons pack would be a better budget friendly option. The 111 might suit your needs.

 

Nice. I'm leaning towards the OME 111 vs. Deaver Stage 2. Have already spent $$$$ on upgrades and gears so a bit tight on budget.

 

I would strongly recommend the dobinsons pack over the ome. My ome pack flattened out really fast and hardly supported more that stock. My dobinsons pack only settled a bit and has been quieter overall than the ome's were. If you have the cash to spend deavers are the way.

 

Understood. I've done some reading here and seeing mixed reviews on OME.

How much weights were you carrying on your bed on your OME set up?

 

Keep in mind this is on a dclb but it was only a leer 100xl cap which I think weighed around 180lbs.

Mx4 cover with maybe 100lbs of extra weight.

Leer 180xl with maybe 100-150lbs of tongue weight.

Dobinsons 112 with around 3-400lbs of weight.

Dobinsons 112 with around 5-600lbs of gear plus the boat.

The 111 basically sat level with minimal weight after settling with the front around 2"
Where as the 112 i get around 2-3" of rake depending on load.

To be clear I'm not recommending the 112 my side by side isn't exactly apples to apples but the way they hold the weight is way better than the 111 ome. But for your specs and on a dcsb a 111 should work well.

Just for good measure this was around 300lbs plus 2-300lbs of tongue weight.