Wisconsin Tacomas and bad financial advice

Wheelers Off-road has King shocks on sale 25% off while supplies last.

 

The way I’m envisioning this is that once a corner on the rear fully stuffs, that corner will necessarily start to follow the terrain and it will introduce other motions and angle that are controlled by the terrain, not the suspension. I’d think it might also make it more likely for the unloaded rear corner to come up off the ground in some circumstances. But if the rear is capable of transferring more of the load to the front, you delay or prevent one of the rear corners from fully stuffing before it needs to.

I think tinkerer himself mentioned it was a surprise to him too. And he did mention the variables make it truly difficult to anticipate how it all plays out on any particular patch of ground.

I remember scratching my head the first time I saw his test results. It took me a while to understand (kind of) his explanation of the numbers.

 

Probably because you submerge them in water and then try to climb completely vertical rocks on a regular basis. This is just a theory. It's not like I've ever seen you do any of these things.

 

Maybe they’re not actually failing…maybe it’s that they are reaching the end of their “service life”

 

That conversation is above my paygrade.

 

I feel the same way. And yet here I am to argue about it

 

Regarding Pat’s prodigious shock consumption rate…in all seriousness, maybe iron man foam cell shocks would work better? Especially for the rear with all the weight back there.

The reason I mention the foam cell shocks is that ironman really touts them as more durable because they aren’t pressurized like most other shocks, and that they’ll continue to provide normal damping even if they start to leak a bit (as long as they still have enough oil).

I’m just going off their brochure, so I’m not sure if it’s a bunch of hooey, but it might be worth considering.

 

I'm not the one to discuss judgement as I sit on the patio watching for this "tornado".....because we're under a tornado watch.

Sirens are howling towards Mondovi and Rock Falls

 

I guess I better check in with my mom! We had some nasty weather warnings here earlier. But, as of now it looks like everything is passing by in a different direction. But, Mondovi is really close to them

 

The video is literally shorter than all of this back and forth. I think all of us were surprised when we first watched it. Plus we got to see some really cool vehicles flexing out and learned a few things about our suspension.

Anytime this dude puts a video out, I check it out because there are always things to learn. His video about stuffing 37s into a stock. Second gen Tundra was wild and I learned quite a bit about my own Taco front suspension and what I did wrong with it.

 

Sorry, I'd rather argue than watch. Plus, I know he's not perfect. My guess is it that it's a bunch of misunderstanding that supports my statement.

 

To quote you, "35's, baby!" Those big tires are hell on a suspension. Adding the weight of your mods to the equation may make it worse.

 

But he does show his work. You get to see different vehicles and different setups on the same rtt ramp, he shows his math and diagrams and really easy to see it digest snippets. Basically what everyone was talking about with the rear staying stiff to push the front suspension in is what he talks about by allowing that articulation. Except he can show it way better than our words can describe it.

 

So, he actually does a ramp test of a 4Runner with both sway bars installed, one removed, and both removed? And somehow, with the front removed it flexes out better than with both removed?

 

Since I purchased that contact cleaner the truck has fired up without a hitch every time, of course. I went ahead and got as far as busting a couple knuckles getting the heat shield off of the starter and doused what I could get to pretty well. It started right up and the remote start worked fine too. I have no idea if I fixed anything, but at least I didn't make it any worse. We'll see what tomorrow brings.

 

I think what he's ultimately getting at is that if you're going to remove a sway bar on a T4R, remove the front, because the smaller rear bar will less affect the flexing than the thicker front. Agreed, you would get the best by removing both, but would the vehicle be safe to drive at highway speeds? I think it's a practical thing.

 

I just noted that the tornado watch area has expanded to just west of here.

 

It’s due to balance front to rear.

sure you can have a floppy rear axle with a front that hardly moves but that makes it real easy to get tippy especially with something with a high CG. If you can better balance that load front to rear, you can force more weight into the front, stay flatter and gain more travel as you’ll load up the front suspension. You trade a small amount of rear down travel for up travel in the front but also flatter and more stable.

You gain more total travel as you have up + down, not zero up plus down.

 

I hear you, but he has Tundra shocks on his truck now, which in theory should handle the extra weight well enough.

Hey Pat @pearing, how are they failing?