anyone else’s 6MT feel slow?

You're right. Most of my neighbors have either surrendered their lawn to the dandelion wilderness or they're on their knees hand cutting it with a pair of barber's shears.

But I'm a workin man. I need my lawn cut in 15 seconds, because I'll be painting fences and fixing the sink 30 seconds from now. And in 45 seconds I'll be doing oil changes and dry rubbing briskets. The workin man's tractor will rev high, of course it will. It needs to process mulch, bag medium sized trees, and gap civic Rs. And then I shift into second so that I can flatten and rebuild the shed.

If you don't run a workin man's tractor, man I don't know how you live.

 

My lawn tractor revs out to a heady 3500RPM and can hit a staggering 11MPH on a flat stretch. I move mulch all the time (plan to do a couple yards tomorrow!), have moved trees with it (I still remember how to tie a timber hitch from Boy Scouts) and I'm sure I could gap a Civic Type-R if the parking brake was stuck on. It's got a hydraulic transmission, so I can't shift into second to flatten the shed; I'll have to settle for parking it nearby while I tear it down myself.

Does that make me a workin' man with a workin' man's tractor?

 

Compared to the 3.5 in the 3rd gens this is great. They needed 4600 rpm. 2nd gens needed 3600 rpm. The 4th gens are a huge improvement in low end torque that reminds me of the trucks prior to about 1990.

I think that a lot of people who may have driven a manual for years have never driven a manual and engine combo actually designed for a truck. Since about 1990 manuals have been an afterthought in trucks. Real trucks meant to actually pull loads and do work have been using automatics for close to 40 years now. The engines are designed to work best with an automatic. The handful of trucks that had manuals had a transmission really intended for sports cars.

There hasn't been a manual transmission in a truck in years that I'd touch with a 10' pole, but the 4th gen Tacoma looks promising.

 

You poors can't afford the real working man's tractor. Only ones in here bitching and the ones that don't got it...

 

The manual is 0.5 second slower than the auto according to motor trend: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...manual-first-test-the-last-stick-shift-pickup (7.9 vs 7.4).

Car and Driver also says it's about that much slower, albeit they got better numbers out of both: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a62544284/2024-toyota-tacoma-manual-drive/ (C/D tends to me more trustworthy than MT in my opinion).

I think C/D saw the opposite relative performance for 3rd gens, where the stick was a 7.3 and auto was 7.7 if I recall correctly.

My 22 would hit 60 in second gear. The 25 should require 3rd...whenever it gets here.

I found the 3rd gen manual to be reasonably quick (for what it was) if you were really going for a 0-60+ run, but mediocre-poor in real world usefulness (power only available at 3500+). Everything I've read suggests the 24+ motor solves that problem, but I'm still waiting on the truck.

 

I doubt that flathead is revving to 5k.

 

It will with the right tune and general lack of self-preservation.

 

Alot of my neighbors mow with a Tractor and Bush Hog, l just use a Zero Turn for my yard though.

 

Bunch of posers pretending to know about tractors. 540 is the only rpm number that matters.

 

Not to folks who actually know about tractors.

 

I had a 2018 Taco with the 3.5 and MT -- felt the same way you did. Decently fast if you're willing to wring it out, but no torque reserve at all. If you're in hilly country at highway speed (especially at high altitude in the West and suffering from air density hp loss), every little incline is a guaranteed downshift or two!

The 2.4 turbo is a dream by comparison. Subjectively it feels so much faster because there is always torque in reserve. You can accelerate up a serious grade in 6th if you're feeling lazy and don't want to downshift. The 2.4 gives you that choice.

 

OK...

 

Yes its very important that we don't use sarcasm when talking about tractors

Apparently some people get offended easily

 

Y'all know what else? You aren't talking about 6MTs anymore.

My work here is done.

 

Nope, they may limit boost but the iForce Max gauge literally shows that it cannot hit full electric motor output in the 1st gear.

Toyota limits the hybrids too, which is maybe why they aren't any faster off the line? The hybrid versions are the biggest gimmick for the 4th gen, their 30-50 and 50-70 full throttle times are also slower than non-hybrid versions.

 

Source of this info?

 

The irony here is delicious.

Maybe you’ll see it and have a laugh when you’re done being offended.

 

Non-hybrid:
C/D TEST RESULTS60 mph: 7.0 sec
1/4-Mile: 15.3 sec @ 91 mph
100 mph: 18.8 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 7.8 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 3.6 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 4.8 sec
Top Speed (gov ltd): 106 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 171 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.77 g
Source - https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/tacoma

Hybrid:
C/D TEST RESULTS60 mph: 7.6 sec
1/4-Mile: 15.9 sec @ 88 mph
100 mph: 22.0 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 7.6 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 4.1 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 5.6 sec
Top Speed (gov ltd): 111 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 191 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.73 g
Source - https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/tacoma-hybrid

The hybrids are a worse truck by every metric. Only the seat of the pants feel for the torque fill before the turbo spools up is the advantage. (Edit - this is an unladen test so the results could possibly flip when towing and the weight advantage disappears. But I hardly ever tow)

 

That said I saw you have a pro which is still a sick truck that I’d drive if I could afford