anyone else’s 6MT feel slow?

Those are cool probably the most interesting car GM sold in the US in the past forty years, and it was imported, I liked it in that guise over the Pontiac G8.

 

For the vast majority of modern cars, the manual is going to be a few tenths of a second slower when operated by a skilled, trained driver. It will also be somewhat less efficient. For drivers whose skill range is between novice and "merely think they're skilled because they've been doing it for 20+ years," the delta between manual and auto is much larger.

However, for the vast majority of cars, the manual is more fun. I can understand wanting to have a stick taco. I've driven MT pickups for many years. They can be fun in their weird way, but I got tired of comically long-throw floor shifters that would bang everyone's knees with each change. Sure, for a while it's fun to reach across the cab and dramatically pull a giant lever into fourth while the 1937 song "Powerhouse" plays in your head. You practically visualize 20 foot tall flywheels and steam powered factories with each upshift. But after a few years it wears tedious without much reward.

For my taco I wanted an AT. It just makes more sense in a truck. For my car however, short throw MT all the way. It's infinitely more fun when you have an actual use case for heel-toeing and trail braking, and a need for driving shoes. Auto cars are a sin against the gods of the Nurburgring, and flappy paddles are all that is souless and wrong. Give me a slow, inefficient, lightweight, three pedal go cart any day, because when you snick that perfect shift while picking the right line through a turn, it rewards you. Angels sing. The clouds part. Time slows. Doves are released. The road somehow becomes smooth and quiet. The C7 that passed me like I'm standing still is looking over, wondering why I look like I just saw Shangri La. But for me, that corner was perfection.

I can't say I've ever experienced the enlightenment moment in any of my MT pickups. They're fun for their own reasons. But for now, I want my truck to be relaxed fit. It balances well against my Scrappy-Doo wind up toy.

 

Y'all know what else? Rock Lobster is talking about MTs again.

My work here is done.

 

My 2nd gen feels great great issues ... 4th gen problems ...how much iscthat monthly

 

So more than a few tenths slower with an unskilled driver?

They're more fun when you are driving for fun... like in your Miata. When you're driving to work or running errands and get stuck in traffic, not as much fun. If your Tacoma is a weekend/recreational vehicle, maybe. For a hotrod, if I want to relive memories of what I drove in the 70s, definitely

 

For the sake of fun discussion, of course. A modern, ECU controlled auto is going interpret your throttle input and determine whether to optimize the shift map towards efficiency or speed. It's then going to execute each shift in a few hundredths of a second.

A highly skilled driver might be able to choose a more aggressive shift map and keep the engine in it's ideal power band. They can also consistently execute each shift in a few tenths of a second. However, if the ECU is tuned to ignore efficiency limits when the throttle is pinned (sport mode), the driver will never beat the computer. They can only get close to the computer.

A less skilled driver will be inconsistent about keeping the engine in the ideal range and will sometimes take an entire second (or more) to pull an upshift.

 

Rock Lobster goes where the wind blows, baby. Nobody gonna pin me down.

 

I don't want to shift gears but I still think the regular cab na 4cyl benefits from the 5spd manual and wouldn't mind having the 5spd. I wouldn't want to drive it every day.

 

I preferred the SS over the G8 also.

 

I am not sure about the 4th gen? But, the 3rd gen MT's came with the larger rear end and higher gear ratio. I tow, so I love it.

 

4th Gen has 4.30 rear gearing with the MT. The AT has a 3.58.

 

AGREED! REDLINE THE SOB!

 

4g non-hybrids autos have an 8.2" rear diff. Hybrids and manuals have a 9.5" rear diff. All have a 8.0" front diff.

Rear axles ratios are 3.58 and 4.30 for autos and manuals. Top gear 8th/6th is essentially the same (0.64/0.65) so the manual will be turning more rpm at any cruise speed. How it gets the same hwy mpg is a mystery.

Manual has a 4.79 1st vs 4.41 1st for the auto. Combined with the lower rear, it's a stump puller. All that torque multiplication is probably why Toyota limits boost.

 

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Sweet, thanks for looking that up!

 

Erm, maybe the 3.5 V6, but the 2.4T does not need to be ran like that

 

I don't know why the auto nonhybrid can't have 9.5" and 4.30 ratio? MPG maybe? If I'm shopping trucks based on diff size I don't know if the Tacoma even makes sense, and an HD would be in order or a 1/2 ton where I can get the drive train options I want for maybe even less money? Nothing wrong with getting what you want from a Tacoma if Toyota offers it. I want what they don't offer.

 

No top end in that turbo?

I don't think any of these smaller displacement engines 4t ot 6tt have much top end power. I doubt i it's necessary as you would already be cruising or pulling the load thanks to the low to mid range torque.

 

I don't remember what RPM it is, but it does wheeze out a little bit in the upper range. Still pulls though, so it's a non-issue to me.

 

I'm sure there's still some power up top compared to low end it probably does not feel the same. I don't know if more top end power would even be usable. EV are quick and almost uncontrollable for human drivers, who knows when self driving could handle a topped out EV run? Those EV also run out of top end power.