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Diagnostics Using ChatGPT

Discussion in 'General Tacoma Talk' started by Hesso, Jun 18, 2025 at 9:24 AM.

  1. Jun 19, 2025 at 5:57 AM
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    While I agree with the sentiment, no one can afford that position on AI any more.

    I work for a consulting company and one of our programs is helping companies implement AI in a thoughtful and measured manner to increase productivity and accuracy. We went so far as building our own AI model that is specific to your industry and only pulls in knowledge from credible data sources.

    But the fact of the matter is, like it or not, AI is already native in your iPhone / Android. Dell is shipping AI enhanced laptops, Microsoft has done with CoPilot what it tied to do with Explorer and make it part of the OS so it is at the kernel level in your computers OS. You can decided not to adopt, use, learn, and benefit from AI but you can't decide not to have AI adopt, use, learn, and benefit from YOU. AI left unchecked does become Skynet / The Matrix. That is why we have to adopt and govern it now.

    Our predictions indicate that by 2028, even if companies shun AI and refuse to acknowledge its presence, AI will still be cozied up next to about 70% of the Enterprise Level Network / Routers, Servers. And companies that refuse AI are seeing their coworkers shipping work to their home computers (where there is ZERO AI GOVERNANCE) and then shipping it back complete.

    You are either IN CONTROL or you are UNDER CONTROL.
    There is always two, a slave and a master.
    If you don't choose a role, one will be selected for you - and you won't like it.


    Having said all of that - I'm constantly amazed at how well AI can thread the needle on a very complex problem and provide accurate detailed results. Then turn around a whiff it by showing a wedding picture where the bride has hands for ears.

    Your next Job Application will be fed through a Large Language Model AI Tool for scanning.
    Your next Interview at the first level will be conducted by an AI Bot.
    Your Performance Review will be initially completed by an AI Productivity Monitor (little secret - it already is)

    And unless you employ AI to AI optimize your resume you will start to lose out.

    AI and your ability to leverage it for good will play a role in your family in the very near future by determining where you work and how much you can make - and thus how much food is on your table. I warn you now do not get left behind in this race. The next generation of homeless people will be created from the pool of citizens who resisted AI.
     
  2. Jun 19, 2025 at 7:26 AM
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    I'm not anti technology at all but I see AI as a net negative to society as it's creating more lazy and complacent people (as if that isn't already a problem). There's a big difference in having fun with it and becoming dependent on it/building it into everything.

    Not to mention the fact that just like EVs (I have nothing against EVs either but let the market, infrastructure, and peoples needs decide if it works or not) it's being shoved upon us weather want it or not.

    We have became so dependent on technology and having everything connected & dependent on the internet that it really wouldn't take much to shut us down as a country because all of our infrastructure is connected & controlled via the internet and isn't as secure as one would think it should be, you knock the internet and/or power out to a town for a day and it's an inconvenience but you knock it out for a large portion of the country for any period of time everything stops working and people go crazy.
     
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    Very well said. I don't quite understand the hostility about something that for now, is only a 'tool' that we should become very aware of how it works and how its being implemented. But as you point out, it's already functioning to some degree in everyone's life.

    Re: Contamination in the results (hallucinating bot), that issue is being addressed and I know of businesses that run Claude or similar AI models on isolated servers so that no other inbound data can touch the existing data.

    Re: Google search results vs AI results - they're not even close to the same. My original post didn't even include the 3 page follow up. ChatGPT provided the first part and then asked, "Do you want more information regarding the rear diff?" When I said yes, there came the additional 3 pages of information very specific to my original question. So the concerns should be treated as real and something to be kept in check, but not seen as a reason to assume that it will always be this way. That's why comparison to Smart phones or EV's is not a strawman fallacy - they all rapidly evolved and addressed early concerns.
     
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    I'm not even ashamed to admit I do the first thing, still somewhat regularly for background/ambient noise during a work day. Part of it is I love watching speedruns of game I enjoy/used to enjoy.

    I have to admit I've never used AI, simply due to just not feeling it necessary.

    To those that love or hate it, frankly, "you do you"

    When I search and see the "AI Generated Results" to me it feels like a feedback loop. Someone posts something incorrect on a forum, it gets scraped, and fed back into the AI to make the "generated results", which are then wrong, and then reposted, and the cycle repeats. Maybe that's not how it works, but I recall a post on reddit where someone put in a question to where a battery is located on a piece of farm equipment. The result read, "the battery is located on the tractor"

    Brilliant
     
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    Not sure about lazy (we move from performing one task to a different task) but with respect to dependency. . . absolutely. The very first episode of the BBC series, "Connections," was entirely about this problem and how devastating the impact could be on the entire society that finds itself in this predicament.

    I'm just making some assumption that humans seem mostly unable to rein in that dependency and so we best figure out how to best be prepared. But there is always the sheep mentality that carries this stuff onward and trying to change behaviors is notorious difficult to accomplish.
     
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    Don't these data centers require a shit-ton of water, electricity and resources to operate?

    We can't even get basic clean water to some communities in this country but at the same time we're subsidizing these private companies so they can waste water and electricity on this stuff

    They talk about all the great things AI will be capable of doing but I guarantee at the end of the day the vast majority of energy is going to be spent simply making more targeted ads to pop up on your phone.

    Let me know when AI has a solution to deal with the Texas-sized island of garbage floating in the North Pacific..
     
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    The amount of electricity is beyond most people's imagination. In fact, Google is already working on mini nuclear reactors to power their servers (you'll have to search that for the particulars), but the power draw is so significant that in Stephen Hawkin's last book, he predicted the Earth may look like a glowing ball in space from all the heat created during electricity production. Not to mention, the grid in the US can't handle today's needs let alone EV's and AI servers. The people selling the benefits are pretending it will all "just work out" with no effort on their part. Ugh!
     
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    I live in Loudoun County. Data center central.
    It's unfathomable how much resources these facilities consume. People who visit this area are shocked at the physical scale of the buildings and infrastructure.
    Communities in other parts of the country might have a massive Amazon or Walmart distribution hub. Well, this is like having hundreds of those things, but all they do is consume resourcees, and provide very few jobs.


    This is one of the crazier situations, still unresolved. A small neighborhood has data centers on three sides of them, so the home owners want to raze their homes to build more data centers. But the adjacent neighborhood is fighting it because then they will be surrounded. It never ends. Of course everyone screams about there being a shortage of housing in the area. So it all makes perfect sense.
    https://www.loudounnow.com/news/arc...cle_957e84e2-3fbd-11ef-bc6b-db225c527b1b.html
     
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    That's why I'm glad I live as far as I do from all the big cities so when the shit hits the fan I'm as far away from the chaos as I can be, I can just sit back and watch.
    Too much of the population have no critical thinking skills, common sense, or mind of their own, when something happens they have to be told what to do instead of having some logic and thinking for themselves.
     
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    I can't find much value in data centers they aren't creating new information. I can see the value if you are a share holder or can profit from the existence of the center. The centers also come at the price of natural areas or land that can be used for housing or something the community can benefit from. Like what has been metioned the centers use up resources like energy and provide little jobs. Long term I don't see the centers being profitable, and you are already paying for the centers energy consumption thru your utility bill.
     
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    Apply an environmental tax on the end user of AI that will solve all those problems.
     
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    I use an inventory system at work it's a fairly small organization that 1-3 people could easily keep track of all of the inventory. I guess the higher ups wanted to implemented some kind of automated inventory system, and they picked something they could work with. From what I see it only creates extra work and provides worse results than manually overseeing the inventory which still has to be done anyway. It's not a business so there is no need for it to make any financial sense, but it does because you only get the money that's in the budget.
     
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    We don't need more taxes. We need less tax breaks for giant corporations

    These companies are literally shopping around for states and regions that will promise to subsidize their business through tax breaks. They aren't looking to "enhance the local economy" or provide jobs. They're looking for a free ride. They're parasites
     
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    Maybe AI could do something about taxes. There's a new digital services tax that's going to be applied to what exactly? I've done forgot, italready exists. Corporations have the capital pull to create the conditions which benefit them. I'd do the same thing if I could, I almost don't mind tax breaks that benefit corporations.
     
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    Re: AI .. it's still fancy autocorrect. Just fills in the blanks with word/image soup that generally matches what you're asking it. Garbage in, garbage out.. and I mean I'm sure people were complaining how autocorrect was the death of correct spelling thirty years ago...
     
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    That's another debate that could get pretty heated but IMO the whole tax thing is out of control, if the average American added up all the taxes they pay either directly or indirectly I'd bet it's well over 50% of their annual income.
    Think about it, your taxed to make it, your taxed to buy it, your taxed to own it, and your taxed to sell it.

    Everyone wants to talk about fairness when it comes to taxes but thanks to the class envy/warfare fueled by the media, corporations, and politicians it never shakes out to be fair to anyone IMO.

    You want fair get rid of all the obscure taxes and credits and make income tax a flat percentage of what you earn regardless of income level, same thing with corporations. You make more you pay more, simple as that instead of the maze of stuff that almost nobody can navigate but instead it's a "best guess".
     
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    The big moneymaker around here is utility credits. The humongous server farms that sit in mysterious buildings out in the middle of nowhere tend to get insane deals on electricity. The rule is that they are to shut down during peak demand in order to get the discount rate. But heres the kicker - they also get credits when they shut down. Some servers are most profitable when they are idle.
     
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    Here in Loudoun, they've coerced(forced) residential power customer to accept "smart" meters that will absolutely be used to brown out homes so the data centers will stay powered up.
    I've refused the new meters and have to pay $10/per meter/per month to have them read and billed. But I wont get browned out. And my whole-house generators wont get fried by the smart meters' shenanigans.
    The deck is stacked against the average joe.
     
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    Its not so much that the tax code is broken, its just hard to enforce with the amount of staff and resources the government has. These huge companies can hire an entire building full of lawyers to comb through and look for write-offs and loopholes. Meanwhile down at the IRS there's like one guy in the office responsible for auditing an entire Fortune 500 company..
     
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