Long Travel BS Thread

I could screenshot more but you get what I’m aiming at.
It’s a cell,
It is not a Billy badass race cell safe to go roll your truck in the cinders without a leak.
Fuel safe or pyrotec would infact do that job. But to most it’s an unnecessary waste of additional funds since a jeep speed is 1k and a pyrotec is like 4k

 

This statement is the conclusion of our safety brief for the day, please refer to your platoon commander for any additional questions or resources.
Thanks


Sincerely Deparment of the fence

 

no AI here. Straight from the Score website rule book

CR 21 FUEL TANKS Safety fuel cells are required for all fuel tanks in all classes except Sportsman UTVs, Moto and Quads.
Auxiliary fuel tanks may be added to a vehicle in all classes except Class 11. Auxiliary fuel tanks must also be safety fuel cells. All fuel cells must be securely mounted, filled from and vented to the outside of the vehicle, and have a substantial cross-member between the fuel tank and driver in vehicles with rear mounted tanks.
Must provide fuel cell manufacturers certification to tech at time of chassis inspection.

No other fuel containers will be allowed in/on any vehicle during a race.
Safety fuel cells shall consist of a bladder enclosed in a metal (minimum of .060 thickness) container as described as follows:

Bladders shall be constructed of nylon or Dacron woven fabric impregnated and coated with a fuel resistant elastomer.
Rotary molded polymer fuel cells must be SFI and FIA approved. Maximum capacity for rotary molded polymer fuel cells is 32 gals.

The minimum standards acceptable for physical properties are: Test Type Minimum Standard Test Specification Tensile Strength 450 lbs. Spec. CCC-T-1916 Method 5102 Tear Strength 50 lbs. Spec. CC-T-1916 Method 5134 Puncture Test 175 lbs. Spec. Mil-T-6396 Article 4.5.17 These physical properties must be maintained throughout all areas of the finished bladder including seams, joints and fittings. Fittings and Connections All fittings shall be built into the skin and bonded as an integral part of the tank or mechanically bound to the skin by a system of ring and counter ring with sealing by either a flat joint or with an "O" ring.

Container The bladder shall be fully surrounded in a smooth skinned casing. The container shall be made of .060" Aluminum or steel. Other materials may be approved by SCORE Tech Director on request. Use of magnesium is prohibited. The container must be securely fastened to the frame or floor with bolts and/or steel straps.

Foam - Internal baffling is required in all fuel cells.

 

Also the Jaz Jeepspeed Cell

https://www.jazproducts.com/store/jeepspeed

 

no offense but ai slop = immediate disregard. just look up the rulebook if you're gonna screenshot something

 

Why?
It literally confirmed exactly what he just copied and pasted

Although all JAZ Products polyethylene fuel cells exceed SFI Spec. 28.1, only fuel cells labeled “THIS FUEL CELL CARRIES SFI CERTIFICATION” are actually certified. Only the fuel cells that are specifically designed for classes that require SFI certification receive a serial number and SFI label. If the fuel cell you require does not come standard with certification, JAZ Products can SFI certify any cell (with foam) in this catalog for a nominal fee of $100.00. If you have any questions regarding the SFI certification, or which fuel cell will fit your needs best, call our technical pros, and they can help you make the right decision regarding your application

 

It does not.

 

I just quoted it direct off their website above this

should I underline and bold more for clarity?

 

To me, looks like ai nailed it
It can be a legal cell
But it’s not
It exceeds specs but without it directly being ordered to meet specs with a serial number included
It is NOT a legal cell
It needs the additional foam and baffles as indicated for their “nominal fee”

 

Score or any off-road does not require fuel cells to be SFI certified unless rotary molded polymer which have a 32-gallon limit.

 

Just want to clarify cause I see this argument derailing here.


Safety
For someone who is considering a fuel cell
Should know
It can pour out unless properly spec’d
Such as a stock factory tank would also do…

Do you find value in this argument?
Or can we agree to advise someone using a cell for a Prerunner should take the additional cautionary steps?

Or are we advocating for Yolo?

cause Darren parsons as I mentioned has raced and won with his truck.
When the truck rolled and caught on fire
It was not score or bitd legal because of the fuel cell as indicated by the fire that ensued.
He replaced the whole cell and section with a pyrotec cell and added a cab halon system…..

so

SAFETY IS THE POINT

 

I want to know exactly, with pictures, what cause the leak and ensuing fire on Parsons truck.
I have raced thousands of miles, won races and championships in a 7-open truck with a Jaz fuel cell. Truck has rolled on more than one occasion and no fuel leak or fire ensued.
I have seen many, many race cars roll over and fuel leaking from usually the vent hose either having a stuck check valve or misrouted vent hose.
I have been in off-road racing long enough I'm retiring from off-road racing at the end of this year.

 

I will dig later for the video
There is a full interview he did later on explaining the fire and the reporter in the passenger seat.
The fuel cell dumped directly onto the exhaust from what I recall and ignited immediately.
He said the air in the cab was immediately gone ect ect

with your past record tho,
You’ve never seen a cell fail?
Specifically jaz? cause this isn’t even the first time I’ve heard of this.
It’s actually pretty common from what I recall.
But less people running fuel cells compared to a few years ago.
And I’m well aware the cell is used in races as even the quoted material said it CAN BE MADE LEGAL.

but again
In stock order form it is not likely to come as such.
And given most of you don’t purchase direct from the manufacturer you have yet another layer of separation from making sure your item is spec’d for your needs.

so
All of that said
Reminding and reiterating
This is to bring awareness to the member who clearly indicated a desire for a cell and wanted to maintain a OEM pump

which is possible but will need other mods to comply with the level of safety he is likely to desire.

to argue that the cell is safe or not safe can’t really be disputed when we are discussing ensuring proper safety and specifications when ordering something that could be the direct cause of the issue if ordered wrong

 

I get ya but this isn't even the angle you really started off with. You just said jaz fuel cells suck and then brought out all this when nobody sopped it up. Start off with this angle and you would have probably swayed us a lot more instead of just lookin like a hater taking opportunity

 

How am I a hater when I literally posted a link to the fuel cell filler adapter for Toyotas?
I literally posted the solution for someone who wants to use the cell with an OEM sending unit…
Everything else I says remains
Tip it over
It leaks unless mods offered by them are done prior to sale or if mods are done later by customers.
But purchases straight off jegs or summit is gonna result in a bad time


Maybe my tone was off, I’ll eat that criticism

but being a hater is a dumb opinion
I’m gonna put a jaz cell in the Chevy.
And I expect it will leak if I don’t spend the necessary money to prevent it


Pretty sure there is an issue similar with kangs right?
Buy the street version it’s okay for daily use but buy the race spec and all the seals need more maintenance than can be handled by a daily driver.

It’s not calling them crap, it’s saying spec accordingly for safety

 

https://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/fuel-cell-for-prerunner.140273/

https://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/are-jaz-fuel-cells-race-legal.13028/

 

Awesome thread! Been looking at it a while and finally went LT. loving it so far except…..

Hit some trails last weekend and my rear ABS wires somehow got ripped out. Like in an odd way can’t find or point to any obstacle or branch. Just the dash lighting up.

inspected to find wires ripped out at oem connection at bed, snapped about 12 in down the wire and ripped out by sensor on passenger rear tire. Nuts.

Thinking they may have flexed out or something. Still odd to me.

That said I had a really great shop set me up with the archive garage ultimate rear and I know there was thought put into re routing the wires a bit.

Shop is being awesome about fixing this too and standing behind their work, etc. but i am just trying to get as much info here that my help and very much appreciate any thoughts and ideas.

been reading here for the issue and don’t see too much of it and don’t see a lot on extending them.

saw one person able to use good solder etc but also reading a lot about the voltage and resistance being pretty temperamental when trying to splice etc.

Again would appreciate thoughts and ideas.

how are folks re running oem wires? Should this not be an issue?

2017 3rd gen. I am running 12 in of travel on 35s. (I also know that may not be super long travel for this crew / thread but for me it’s my daily and long to me. Hahah. )

really appreciate it.

some pics post zip tie on trail

Thank you !

 

I cut all of my wiring harnesses from the cab back when I chopped the bed off. Re-ran the rear ABS wires without a care in the world for how short or long they were. Put a new plug at the cut, no solder, which introduces more resistance to the circuit than a solder joint...No issues.

 

Thanks for the quick reply and that sounds like a fun truck!

is it the 07 ?

wondering if the ECU shit in my 2017 may be more temperamental. With these wires out it also kicks me out the use of transfer case / 4Wd H and L. Sucked.

already thinking of swapping in an FJ transfer case. Hahah.

appreciate it, again, thanks!

Also appreciate more thoughts and ideas. Many thanks !