TSA and a 6 year old

People using lame arguments for the purpose of sounding intelligent.

 

I'm sure you "interpret" all kinds of things. Good luck with that.

 

This isn't accurate.

The TSA system does in fact make air travel safer. It may be a "safety through paranoia" type, but it is still safer than not having a security system at all.

The problem doesn't lie in the government control, it's all the steps/regulations/anti-discriminatory bullshit that has to be abided in order to make those policies effective without massive legal backlash.

Can you imagine the financial ramifications of having no security at all? The payouts from wrongful death and discrimination suits alone would cost as much as the TSA system does now -- and in order to compensate, the airlines/airports would have to raise rates to cover those expenses.

Airfare -- while not cheap -- is vastly more inexpensive now than it would be if the airlines/airports were left to run their own security (in the wake of 9/11). Imagine paying triple what you do now for cross-country flights.

 

This isn't true at all.

All it takes is a terrorists to snatch a pistol from some old lady's purse and you've got an international incident.

Shit, all a terrorist has to do is buy a seat next to a flight attendant station and they can have a hostage in less time than it takes to draw. Or buy a seat at the front of the plane and they have instant access to the cockpit. I would imagine allowing people to carry onto planes would increase the likeliness of an incident.

Allowing people who aren't law enforcement or military to carry on aircraft is a terrible idea.

 

You worded your post in a way that emphasized the TSAs job as that of making people feel safer.

The TSA is no more effective or efficient at catching threats to air travel than pre-9/11. Air travel cheaper than pre-9/11? Prove it.

 

Yeah how is this thread not locked?!

 

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it's more likely that a plane will fall out of the sky due to mechanical failure than being taken over by a terrorist.

what next? vehicle checkpoints every other mile because some asshole puts a bomb in his car?

the world can do without the pussies too affraid to get in a plane unless all the passenger's balls have been cradled first.

the people who institute these "security programs" and the citizens who obligingly follow them in lock step are now the soldiers of our enemies.

some say that if you don't want to be "screened", then don't fly...I say if you're scared of some dick-knuckle with a boxcutter taking over your plane, don't fly.

edit: IBTL

 

I'm not saying it is cheaper. I'm saying in a post 9/11 world, the costs of providing security via private contractors and agencies would make air travel vastly more expensive than it is now.

The reason it is so is because the government has the authority (via publicly elected officials) to make policy to enforce these security details.

Remove that and put it into the hands of the airports/airlines, and those costs get passed along to the consumer.

Don't get me wrong -- they do now in the form of taxes and national deficit, but if those policies weren't in place, then we would be in this thread bitching about the high cost of airfare.

It's all about the money. Plain and simple.

 

Next time you book an airline ticket, look more carefully at the costs. The 9/11 security fee is a maximum of $10 roundtrip. The airlines could do it cheaper and better, because they would have a vested interest in protecting us. The government is just filled with corruption and twisted interests.

 

These are both ENTIRELY presenting your opinions as though they were fact. You have no idea what would happen without the TSA.

 

guess no one cares about violating the Constitution anymore, It's all about what is more "safe" whether it produces results or not

 

Unfortunately this has been found all too often to be true

 

9/11 happened without the TSA.

But to be fair, this is mostly true (although I am not espousing opinion any greater or less than anyone else in this thread).

But I am speaking from a knowledge of free-market economy and capitalistic enterprise.

The TSA serves as a function of that economy because it consolidates money and influence into one organization. By being able to make the policies they enforce, thereby eliminating much of the external litigation which would embroil a private enterprise.

Basically, what you would be looking at, were the TSA removed, is the cost of that oversight which taxpayers pay now rolled into ticket prices. Of course, competition would make some carriers more affordable, but a single incident could bankrupt a company. Not to mention a host of discrimination lawsuits based on racial profiling.

None of those things are going to be enticing to potential investors. The TSA offers a level of protection to airlines/airports because the liability/policies lies with it, thus leaving a cushion for profit margins.

Overall, the costs to passengers would probably be about the same as it is now -- the only differences coming in the form of lower taxes and higher airfares.

 

"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Hard to achieve any of those things when you're dead.

 

I blame George W. Bush , the Patriot Act and street racing .

 

I blame Raptors.

 

The other difference would come in terms of efficiency and efficacy. Did you know the FAA was the reason terrorists were able to bring boxcutters on the 9/11 planes?

True, except the TSA will not protect you. Numerous times within the last few months, the TSA has failed to detect major weapons. They consistently fail their tests, ignore their failures, insisting that passengers and other enhancements to aircrafts can protect passengers [such as when the guy with the 3 boxcutters got through recently or the other guy with his fully loaded Glock handgun]. Point is, you are no safer having the TSA screen you, because they rarely find the items they need to for protecting the flying public.

The only thing stopping me from proving the TSA's incompetency is that it would mean violating federal law...

 

The government isn't any any more twisted and corrupted than cronyist corporations who seek to maximize revenues.

Both sides of the coin have corruption and special interest. You need to remove your perceptions of them as competing entities and realize they are both integrated parts of same capitalist system.