What's your Religion?

I'm laughing so hard.

 

^ hahah

 

The king James version just changes the print to red in anything Jesus says aye?

Anywho, I agree but changed is a strong word .. translated is better. with all translations comes some amount of change. Most religious people I know admit to translation issues but believe that the message is the same.

 

I agree that translation leads to some amount of change. Not sure on the original message though. Slight changes in context due to translation can lead to a completely different meaning in the end. Especially considering how many times it must have been translated before it made it into English.

Ever play the Telephone game? I did it once in elementary school. The final phrase was NOTHING like the original one spoken by the teacher. Also, ever try to read instructions for a Japanese stereo assembled in Mexico? LMAO The instructions were probably drafted in Japanese, translated to Spanish for the assembling people, then translated to English before packaging and shipping. In the end they are nearly impossible to read, and utterly useless.

 

Different translations have caused conflict. Example would be "thou shalt not kill" to "thou shalt not murder." Two totally different meanings. King James version is the oldest and most accurate, the message that the bible gives (salvation, hope etc) remains the same. Therefore the message hasn't changed; man has changed words through different churches thereby misinterpreting it.

Okay I understand what he was saying about muslims, koran etc.

 

I believe in beer

 

Comparing a translation of text by highly skilled people to the telephone game played by elementary students doesn't make much sense. Books have been translated into different languages since books have been written.

I do agree that words have been altered but the above example is a good one. Thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not murder. Same meaning in my mind but different word.

Again just to say it I'm an Agnostic, being I don't see how much of the miracle work was possible. What do I think? I think when something happens to someone or when someone was shown something so fantastic that they don't understand .. you'll use what experiences you have to describe it. Sometimes, the impossible will be your definition.

Look at Revelations, assume for a second it was real. How would a person describe a Helicopter in John's time? How would he describe a tank? He was shown the future in visions .. I've dabbled in various churches and at one specific I heard an 80 year old Mormon guy talk about his idea of Revelations. It blew me away because I had never thought of it like that. Most likely a helicopter would be described as a large stinging insects that brought death from the sky. A tank? A huge armor clad horse that made the ground thunder as it moved. Revelations.

Getting off the bible for a minute and back to religion in general. I'm agnostic as I said above. But, I'm also anti-organized religion. I am much closer to believing something with my family and in the privacy of my own home than any organized church. Organized religion brings out good in some people, but, it also brings out the bad in a lot of people. I've spent significant time in Nazarene churches, Catholic churces and with Mormons. All of them are corrupt imo. When you follow a pope who actively worked to cover up the sexual assault of hundreds, thousands, of young children.... I can't take the man seriously, let alone anyone who follows him. I'm sorry, you and your religion is what's wrong with the world. Catholics and their popes have murdered millions of people, more so than any Hitler, or Stalin.

 

How are churches fighting for power, corrupting the translations to suit their needs (back when the average person couldn't read for themselves) any different from school kids?

 

I guess I just don't believe they corrupted the translation. I don't think they could have, to many religions use the same text and the same book regardless of religion. Religions never have gotten along, why agree to the same few books?

I do however, believe they chose what pieces of writing and from what books to include or throw out. That's the real atrocity. Let's tell the pieces of the story we want people to hear.

That's why the old testament and the new testament are so different. When fear of god stopped working they needed a new loving figure. But let's not take it to far ... women are still inferior

 

That's corruption to me. You're not changing the meaning, but still only telling part of the story. That's like saying you didn't lie to your wife about cheating on her, you just didn't tell her about it and that's ok.

How is leaving out key details and parts of the story NOT twisting and contorting it as a means of controlling people or achieving what the church wanted? It was bad enough that most people couldn't read so they blindly followed whatever was read to them (it could really be anything, how could they know), but they also edited out key details too?

 

I was caught up in details. I agree churches are corrupt, I think I even said that a couple posts up. That's why I choose not to attend, or believe. I just didn't agree they botched the translation as bad as a lot of people think they did.

 

Gotcha. I'm not saying I know they did either. More of a "it's possible they did, but how could anyone prove it?"

No one alive today can speak the language it was originally written in to know for sure, and it's probably been translated 100 times or more. So I say it's likely a lot was lost in that translation process. Just like how some instructions I've read were not accurate or even useful. Japanese/chinese products I've bought that were assembled in mexico or some other country. The instructions look like they were translated from Japanese/chinese into spanish/whatever language, then into English. That's only 3 times in this modern age of dictionaries for nearly every language, google translate, etc, and yet they are still HORRIBLY inaccurate. I can only image what happened to the bible. Especially with people wanting to leave parts out to suit their goals.

 

Well it looks like we've got this threaded figured out, next topic.

 

How could you ever trust something that doesn't in some way evolve?? You are going to blindly trust that a book that was written over a millennium before you were even born had all the facts? Have you yourself not evolved over just the course of 26 years? I think its inadequate to not be skeptical, even of course in the "scientific". Do I believe that the big bang is what really happened? No, not entirely. But there is MUCH more proof that something like it happened than there is that someones imaginary friend who lives in the sky created it out of nothing.

I have an invisible fire-breathing dragon living in my garage. He is incorporeal, so you cant feel him. His flame is heat less, so you cant feel it. Lastly he floats so he doesnt make any foot prints. Prove to me he isnt real.

(Invisible dragon reference is from Carl Sagan's book The Demon Haunted World.)

 

I digress...

 

The bible proves nothing, other than goat herders several thousand years ago had creative ways to explain our origins. There is no evidence whatsoever that god created the universe or that Jesus was even a real person. Find me ONE person who wrote of a Jesus Christ during the time he lived. It should be easy, he supposedly performed miracles, cured disease, had a large following and pissed off the powers that be to the point they executed him. Plenty of scholars and historians were around during that time, but not a single person wrote about it. We have writings from Pontius Pilate too. He never mentioned Jesus. Seriously, find ONE person who wrote about Jesus during the time he lived. Or even one reference to him before 33 CE.

The bible itself evolved from many other, previous religions. You think Jesus was the first man-god to be born of a virgin, perform miracles, have disciples , be crucified, descend into hell and be resurrected several days later? Not even close. You think the bible tells the first story of a god flooding the earth and asking someone to build a boat and load it with animals? Nope. See Gilgamesh. Just about every story in the bible has a suspiciously similar story that pre-dates the bible by a thousand years.

You can either sit there and hang tight to the knowledge of ancient people who thought the earth was flat and had no idea whatsoever that fossils were buried under the ground they walked upon or you can put a little trust into men and women who have spent thousands of years disproving those ancient theories and coming up with fact based explanations of who we are and where we came from. People who would rather say "I don't know" rather than point to a 4,000 year old book when asked a question they can't answer.

I'm interested in what exactly you think the bible proves and how you see that it's proof.

 

Our action movie heroes are going to turn into biblical gods in a 1,000 years because people will believe in them!

 

Please...tell me more about this Invisible Fire Breathing Dragon. How can I contribute monies to his church so that I may be seen more favorable in his invisible light?