What's your Religion?

Please explain how science continually proves creation possible.

Evolution has been witnessed. The very fact that you made that statement tells me you haven't read much about evolution at all. Please tell us what books you've read about evolution and what authors.

Evolution has been observed in experiments that have been done on reptiles moved from one island where their primary food source were other animals to an island where their primary food source were plants. In just 20 years they began to evolve glands and valves in their digestive tracts that helped break down the more fibrous plants and valves that limited the amount of plant material that could be introduced into their digestive tract at one time in order to aid digestion. The same glands and valves present in reptiles that have been primarily vegetarian for thousands of years.

That's just one minute example. Fish and birds are constantly evolving at an observable rate. Just because a crocodile doesn't turn into a duck or elephant within a single lifetime isn't evidence that evolution is false and creationism is true.

And you're correct. Creationism is a theory, in one definition of the word "theory". It's not taught in schools because there is no scientific evidence to support it. If there were evidence it would be taught.

 

Atheist simply means NOT theist. There is no following or belief beyond NOT finding any evidence in something that has no evidence. It like me saying you are atheist if you don't believe in Bumbles when the majority says Bumbles exist.

It's a term created/used by theists, not by atheists, no way can a rejection of someone else's religion be a a religion of it's own, unless the believers are so self deluded that their own belief can be the only truth.

Funny I had to correct the spelling of athiest because I'm so void of organized atheism that the spelling isn't even familiar.

If you are really expecting that our best science should be ignored and eliminated from our public schools, get your kids out of public schools.

You are correct, very little can be proven NOT to exist, SFW? Science doesn't claim to prove much, it builds on what it can shown repeatedly.

 

Good GOD, I guess anything void of religious context is atheist.

Shit, had to correct the spelling of my religion again ei, ei, ei, not ie, please atheist god forgive me.

 

Get them out of public school.

You are really a Troll right.

 

First of all, atheism is not being forced down my throat because I won't allow it. The same way that you will not allow religion to be forced down yours. Atheism is however being forced upon millions of children every day and the explanation of that is very simple. When you teach a child from early on that there is an explanation for everything and that the things that we don't yet understand are explainable by science, you have essentially eliminated God from the equation. Call that whatever you want but when you boil it down, you're left with atheism.
Secondly, evolution is a theory. It is not a fact. There is no undeniable truth in regards to evolution. Adaptation can be proven yes, evolution is a theory based on fossils that are at best are inconclusive. You may be able to show me examples of adaptation but you will never be able to show me an example of evolution. Gravity is a "law" not a theory. Physical laws and theories are 2 completely different things.
Lastly, being bald is not a set of beliefs, atheism is. You can't convince someone to go bald and they magically lose their hair. If a teacher tells my child that man evolved over a long period of time yet I teach them at home that God created man in his own image, is that teacher not essentially telling my child that I am wrong?

 

I got them out of public school years ago, mostly because of attitudes like yours.

 

You have GOT to be kidding me right? Have you watched television lately?

 

Charlie I believe I know where you are going with this, and if my beliefs are right, you and I share the same religion, "From the base to the crown, and harvesting the energy instead of releasing it upward." noff said.

 

Not sure what TV you watch, that's a poor source of actual science.

But continue avoiding a rebuttal for your crazy claim that absence of religion is a religion.

You have GOT to be kidding me right? Let's stop trying to explain things that we don't want to understand because that would be telling my dad he was wrong, that is your position. No absolute evidence equals proof whatever I tell my kid is true.

 

Religion was forced down my throat for the better part of my life. I finally woke up and realized that I could think for myself and that a book that said I could stone my child to death for cursing me or recommended a virgin should marry her rapist might not be the best book to base my morality upon. Strangely enough since converting to atheism I've avoided murdering anyone, raping anyone or otherwise causing havoc or destruction.

That's not atheism, that's logic and reason. If you object to either send them to private schools.

Don't even know where to start. Fossils aren't needed to prove evolution is true. There's a mountain of other evidence to support it. And evolution IS adaptation. The species best able to adapt is the one that will survive and pass it's genes on. Please, go read about it. It's obvious you haven't yet.

 

You may not know this but they interview "actual" scientists on tv all the time. A set of beliefs about spiritual things is in my opinion a religion. Call it whatever you need to but I call it a religion. Don't believe in anything spiritual? Fine, I call that atheism.
Read this next part very slowly, it's really not difficult to understand. When I teach my kids that God made man in his own image, and you tell them that we came from somewhere else, you are contradicting my instructions to my children. You try and make it sound like I teach them that the sky is green and expect the teacher to follow suit but that argument is obviously transparent.

 

Amen!

 

Evolution is not the same as adaptation. So are you saying that single celled organisms "adapted" and eventually became all of the species on earth? Evolution is one species changing to another. I thought that was pretty clear in science class. Maybe you need a refresher.

 

We agree, belief about spirits is a religion, but not believing in your spirit is not a religion, atheist is not a religion because you call it that.

Why should I read something so clear slowly. You teach your kids something you believe, great. Someone else says otherwise and you are contradicted, great. That is absolutely true.


Your last sentence makes no sense, a strawman to what you wish I would say apparently. I'm waiting for any evidence why you teach your kids god made man in his own image, and why it should be considered science worthy of teaching in a science class instead of a theology class.

You are doing a great job of ignoring all the real questions I've asked you, but only to those that have nothing but "amen" or thumbs up to add. To the rest of us it's "transparent" you continue to skating addressing any scientific evidence in creationism.

 

It's an insinuation that you made without saying something directly. And please, maybe you can explain what the very first cell on planet earth evolved or adapted FROM. I've seen hoosier ask that question a hundred times and the silence is deafening. Is it not taught as fact that humans evolved over hundreds of thousands of years from a single celled organism? Where that cell came from would be a good place to start that conversation would it not? I never said creationism should be considered science worthy. It's my belief based on what I've experienced in my life.I also said it would be fine with me if they taught neither.

 

The poll maker made that choice, that doesn't make it a religion, but great attempt at illogic.

You keep persisting that poking at evolution in any way makes an argument for a god that made man in his image.

So let's agree creation came from theology and it should stay there.

Evolution came from science and should stay there as well.

If you really want to know what current science thinks about the first single cell organisms this would be a start. Or we could stop questioning and say a god did it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

This won't help though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth

 

Or go to theme parks that state the age of the earth at millions of years old as fact. Evolution as fact. This directly opposes Christianity/creationism. It's all around us. Most people, including Christians, just don't notice.

Niagara Falls. The rate of erosion (4-5 feet a year) recorded since the mid 1800's, as well as the time table of the the ice age, leaves the age of the Earth at around 4500 years old. There is much more to it than that, but I don't have time to teach it all. And besides, I keep getting told I'm a troll and that I haven't studied, so my input is invalid.

They key word to your experiment is 'primarily'. To make it simple, these traits were available but not dominant since meat was available. Adaptation thinned out the animals that needed more meat and couldn't live on plants alone. I would have to do a flow chart of how genes are passed on if this doesn't make sense to you. This is natural selection, not evolution.

How could you possibly add something to a DNA strand that isn't there or isn't available from the parents?

When any species multiplies, it uses the DNA structure of the parents and then would produce an offspring of the same species.

Evolution from one species to another has not been witnessed.

But I believe bald is beautiful. I was convinced since I was bald I should shave off the rest. Otherwise, a good post.

I'm crazy too, cause I think atheism is a religion, especially since some atheists want it recognized that way.

and, "No absolute evidence equals proof"? Didn't follow your point exactly, but maybe that could apply to evolution as well.

Transitional fossils from the precambrian and cambrian era would sure help.

Evolution is not adaptation. And your statement describes natural selection. And in case mutation comes up, that is the LOSS of information. Evolution requires ADDING information to the DNA that is not available form the parents.

 

Dude, so many incorrect statements in your posts. How is evolution and natural selection the same thing to you? Adaptation IS the state of a animal or being evolving...how can this be put any more simply for you? Do you honestly expect to see something evolve in your short lifespan on earth? Let me see a link about niagra falls. Lastly, atheism is the ABSCENCE of religion, not a religion. Although I'm sure there are groups out there that meet, there is no atheist church that I attend, nor do I convene with other "believers."

 

Thanks for the links. I read the first article all the way through, have you? Some key points you may have missed: "There is no truly "standard model" of the origin of life. Most currently accepted models draw at least some elements from the framework laid out by the Oparin-Haldane hypothesis. Under that umbrella, however, are a wide array of disparate discoveries and conjectures".......and secondly "No one has synthesized a "protocell" using basic components which would have the necessary properties of life (the so-called "bottom-up-approach"). Without such a proof-of-principle, explanations have tended to be short on specifics."