What's your Religion?

I do understand that mutations occur and have never said they did not. However in each of the instances you mention the mutation is harmful not helpful and in each instance you are still left with a human being and not a new species.

 

Why do some dogs have webbed feet and some don't ? Why do ducks have webbed feet and chickens don't ? They're both birds.

 

Why do you think humans share 98.5% of their DNA with great apes?

 

and do these mutations add DNA or lose DNA? just sayin'

 

and isn't it the jellyfish or clams or something that is higher than that...I need to go back and find out which one it is

 

Must have missed this portion of his interview:

My doubts about evolution began when I was studying synapses. I was deeply impressed by the amazing complexity of these supposedly simple connections between nerve cells. ‘How,’ I wondered, ‘could synapses and the genetic programs underlying them be products of mere blind chance?’ It really made no sense.

Again, this is not Joe Schmo off the street but an accomplished scientist. Admittedly, the article does not go into great scientific detail, but this was obviously not a case of, "oh well, someone told me so I must believe".

 

BUT..... BUT, BUT, BUT !!! hahaha... It is the very same medical science that is trying to reverse engineer humans that figured out medications and corrective surgeries, religion would most certainly not have us dabbling in this process. If God wanted us to know how we were put together, he would've left us with the blue prints, wouldn't he ?????

 

Because they were made that way. A duck is not a chicken nor is a chicken a T-Rex. Why don't we breed the chicken with the dog with webbed feet and see if we come up with a duck?

 

The fact that we share common DNA is no surprise. We eat essentially the same food as apes, drink the same water and breathe the same air. It stands to reason that our DNA would be similar. However, Do you realize how much difference 1.5% is in DNA?

 

He gave us the overview in the Bible and the curiosity and ability to ask questions and investigate. The assumption that someone that believes in the Bible would not be a physician or be interested in how life works is flawed and absurd. The Bible writer Luke was a physician! I have had several surgeries in my life as have many of my friends that share my faith. I have stated repeatedly that I do not have a problem with science.

The presumption that because someone believes in God and that the Bible is God's word they must be ignorant and backwards is a stereotype just as much as saying that someone who is an atheist must have no moral integrity.

 

Ok, so i'm relaxing for the night and I decided to browse back through some posts and caught this. (the wife is laughing telling me i'm ridiculous just let it go, I said it's an interesting conversation though )

Evolution never even comes close to suggesting a drastic "metamorphosis" that you give an example of, and earlier with the elephant. It suggests a slow change in genetic structure, with the end result still highly resembling the original species. Since you mentioned elephants though, there was the wooly mammoth, with more hair, larger tusks and larger in size.

There's an interesting fact also in your example of the house cat. What has happened to the population of their longer existing relative the tiger, which before them came the sabre tooth ? There would certainly have to be a time lapse when the evolved traits begin and the old traits haven't completely phased out and ceased to exist. That could be what is happening now with certain species.

But you believe one species, the same specimen in fact, went from a man to a snake, then slid up a tree and spoke words to convince another man to take an apple ????

 

Glad you are relaxing. I am too - this is my Friday! I have enjoyed the discussion as well. As to the drastic metamorphosis, I was not saying it had happened, but was simply pointing out that the pictures in the text book were at best misleading as they purport to show slow changes when in fact for the fossil chain used in the illustration to have occurred, drastic changes would have had to have happened in the size of the creature.

Evidently the sabre tooth tiger became extinct and the tiger survived. There are after all many different varieties of big cat today: Tigers, Lions (even Ligers when the two interbreed), leopards, etc. Could you wind up one day without lions and tigers and just have a hybrid Liger population? I guess it is possible, but you would still have a cat of some description. That would be variety of a kind of animal. I am not a geneticist so I can't say whether a sustained population of that kind of mix would survive or not.

As to the Genesis account of Adam and Eve, it apparent that the snake was used much the same way that a ventriloquist uses a dummy and that Satan made it appear that the snake was speaking. Satan, being a spirit creature, would easily be able to do this. In that account he told the first recorded lie and launched a rebellion against God's right to rule. Up until then, mankind had it made. After that rebellion we have the mess we have today because man became "like God", meaning he would decide what was right or wrong rather than God. To quote Laurel and Hardy "another fine mess you've gotten me into"

Enjoy some down time and good night!

 

Pointless since the world is 4500 years old.

 

Mankind? You mean mancouple.

What a strange creator that had a temper trantrum against his creation after setting up a silly test he should have know his 2 creations would fail.

Why didn't he just start out fresh with 2 less rebellious creations? I blame god, not his creations.

Darn those pesky spirit creatures, did this god create them too?

 

Temper tantrum? No. Sentence passed on a disobedient couple, yes. The key is he did not "set up" the test, just placed limitations that as the creator he had every right to do. If he had just started out with two less rebellious creatures the question of whether he has the right to rule would not have been answered. The blame lay with Adam and Eve as well as Satan. Yes Satan was created by God - but not as the evil creature he chose to become. Satan, like Adam and Eve, made a conscious choice to rebel.

 

Oh, that makes a lot more sense. The creator wasn't sure he had the right to rule. Got it.

Anyone's wrath is a temper tantrum, even your god's, but would you rather I call it, strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire; vengeance or punishment as the consequence of anger?

Why was he surprised or questioning his right to rule? He created his own god-damned universe and failed at ruling it?

 

Another good point...... There was apparently no Satan in the beginning. Supposedly, at one point when God was unhappy with the way his creation was going, he wiped most of it out with a flood, saving what he wanted to keep that he considered good I guess. Soooo, with "Satan" causing so much chaos, why can't he just do away with him ? He's going to set his people (that he cares so deeply for) up to fail ???

Makes sense to me.... Let me install all of the most expensive suspension and drivetrain components on my truck that I can get my hands on, except for shocks and wheel bearings, I'll make those the cheapest, just so I can see where it fails when I take it offroad.

 

Hahaha... Oh yeah, almost forgot

 

If you compare the beginning creature with the end result then yes, it may be drastic, you're ignoring what was in the middle. So our skeleton doesn't resemble a Neanderthal skeleton whatsoever ??? Don't say it may have been a mutation, because too many remains have been found for that, and we don't have those same mutations today if we're the same exact species we were back then.

 

Satan was created originally as a spirit creature. Initially he was obedient, but then rebelled. It is not God that has doubts about his right to rule, but some of his creation. The flood was a result of the violence on the earth caused by more angels rebelling and coming to earth to join in the rebellion. God can and will do away with Satan, but if this is done too soon there would always be the possibility someone could say that they had a better way than God's. He did not set us up to fail. Quite the contrary, he set mankind up to succeed. A perfect garden, perfect health and rewarding work (take what you see here in the garden of Eden and make the rest of the world like it).

Using your illustration of the truck and modifying it, that is exactly what man did. They were made to exist under the direction of their creator, but decided to make changes without thinking of the ramifications when they went "off-road" or disobeyed God. That is why we are in the mess we are in today! In your illustration, who would you blame for the wheels falling off? Toyota? No, but yourself for not thinking through what you did. Ironically, man blames God for what they have done when they have been the ones that monkeyed with the original design.

BTW, I do not subscribe to the world only being a few thousand years old. A day can be a literal 24 hour period but it can also be a longer period of time. I.E. "Back in my day" obviously does not mean a literal 24 hour period of time. Likewise, in Genesis, a Day is simply used to show that there were different phases/time periods in creation.