What's your Religion?

Your order on the creative days is off. On day one there was a division between day and night. (Genesis 1:3). On day 4 the sun and moon became visible.

Also keep in mind, the Bible was not written as a science text book, though when it touches on science it is accurate. For instance, the water cycle, and that the earth was round and not flat are in the Bible. As for a creation recipe, how does this sound:

1. God uses the incredible energy at his disposal to create matter (I believe Eienstein says that converting energy to matter is possible - though man cannot at present do this)

2. Using his understanding of physics and gravity, he causes the matter he has just created to form into dust clouds, then stars and planets, etc.

3. Once the earth has come to the form that he wants, he continues to use his understanding of physical laws to shape the earth to the way he wants it.

4. He places animals, plants and humans on the earth and gives them verbal instructions, which are ignored. Thereafter, he has his instructions for those that would choose to follow him recorded in the Bible. He does not give a long dissertation on physics, quantum mechanics or nuclear theory, because, after all, there are no physicists, nuclear scientists or quantum mechanics experts on the earth, so why bother. Instead he gives a written record that can be understood by the average everyday human.

 

And I respect your opinion.

 

Because God does not give up and he is loving and fair. Adam and Eve were a lost cause, but what about their descendants (i.e. us)? Rather than throw out the baby with the bath water, God decided to let the experiment of self-rule by man run its course while at the same time giving an opportunity for those that would, to come to know and obey him - hence his son giving his life as a ransom. The right that Jesus had as a perfect human to have children was taken away from him when he was put to death. He applied that right to the offspring of Adam (again us) so that what was lost by Adam could be bought back (hence the term ransom).

Additionally, the Bible account indicates that more than just Adam, Eve and Satan were present when this questioning of God's authority took place. The angels were created before man. If Adam, Eve and Satan were simply wiped out and a new pair created, that would not have answered the question of whether God had the right to rule. The door would have been left open for his right to rule to be questioned again and again. Perhaps some might have thought that God was "bullying" by destroying the rebels without giving them a chance to prove their point.

 

right next to the quote button, there is a multi-quote button. the last post u want to quote, poke the single quote button and they will all appear in ur window. not sure if u know this, just trying to help so u dont have to make a thousand posts

 

I know. Just don't want it to get lost.

 

And I'm pointing out that everyone saying the other person is wrong doesn't prove one of them is right. If anything, it makes someone like me say F-it and walk away from all of those people. I get enough of that crap from my kids.

 

That's why we shouldn't just take someone's word for it but check it out ourselves.

 

That's a better explanation, thanks. I looked up the days real quick this morning. I didn't see anything about division of night and day in it, only that the sun (and I would assume light) created on the 4th day. And I remember a book we read in HS (can't think of the title to save my life now) where a teacher was put on trial for teaching evolution. One of the deciding arguments was that the sun/light was not created on the first day, so there was no way to tell if the 6 days were 6 24hr periods, or 6 million years. That part stuck with me all these years, but not the title of the book.

Edit: It was about the Scopes trial.

 

Genesis 1:3-5:

3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

http://niv.scripturetext.com/genesis/1.htm

Literal creationists point out that while a day can mean an undefined period of time (e.g. the Day of the Lord), when the days are numbered, or it is used with morning and evening references, it always means a 24 hour period. The only time it was ever interpreted otherwise was when people tried to fit evolutionary theory into creationism (Theistic Evolution and the Day Age theory).

Exodus 20:11:
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

To me that means the entire Earth and all it's creatures was created in a single week. And this would be why we have 7-day weeks. When does the Bible say God made dinosaurs?

 

How would you be able to tell it was a 24hr period without the sun, light, and the earth's rotation though? That's the point I was trying to make. They didn't have clocks back then, and if they did it would have been a sun dial. Rather useless without sunlight. So unless the sun was created first, shed light on the earth the entire time, and the earth rotated at the same speed it would have been impossible to measure out 24hrs and call it a day.

 

Like I said earlier, these are periods of time, not literal 24 hour days. Genesis 1:20-25 mentions the animals that were created before man. This leaves plenty of room for dinosaurs and other animals to have existed.

 

That would be my understanding as well. To me, it can't mean an undefined period of time since Moses later states that creation took place in 6 days and God rested on the 7th.

It wouldn't make sense to state there were 6 undefined long periods of time. Moses used God's creation week as a model for why the Sabbath is observed.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

On day one the periodicity was set. On day four, the sun and stars are set in place to mark that periodicity.

 

And I respect that you're a man of God... Hope you don't feel any of my posts attacked you, certainly didn't mean it that. It'll only go in circles from here, so I'm done. It was a great conversation

 

It says that God separated light from darkness, and called light "day" and called dark "night". This means he created a 24 hr. period. The rotation of the Earth hasn't changed. That cannot be misinterpreted. Dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago, which means humans came about roughly 65 million years later. The time scale doesn't make sense.

 

No offense taken. Best wishes.

 

Genesis 2:4 (KJV)

"4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

Obviously, this "day" is referring to an indefinite period of time or it would have said "in the 6 days...".

That God created a separation of day and night simply means that the earth's rotation was set so that there was a division of day and night.

 

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As stated earlier, yom can be used as an indeterminant period of time or as a literal day. In the case of 2:4, it would read, "these are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, "at the time that" (or "when") the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

It's like saying, "at the day of the LORD". It doesn't refer to a timespan, but an event at some point in time.