Phelps BONG hit

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interesting...

 

Once you accept his behavior, it becomes effectively legal.

 

Once again, lawyers slice the thinnest of hairs and disect the obvious into question.

 

Thank you for pointing this out. I was about to explain this very point myself, but then came across your post.

All you have to do is look at this from a legal perspective to realize that with the information disclosed to the public, (which in this case is probably most if not close to all) you have an open and shut, dead end case.

 

At the very least it is a huge waste of tax money and court time.

 

You said it.

I am not by any means condoning the use of ANY illegal drugs, because they are exactly what the name implies, illegal. Now, whether I believe it should be illegal in the first place is a whole different story. If the logic for prohibiting Marijuana use is applied to alcohol use, alcohol consumption should clearly be prohibited. Well this is not the case, so enough said.

What I am all for, is a better use of invaluable resources such as this sheriff and DA. I'm pretty sure there is some VERY SERIOUS crime going on within the county in question. Lets put the attention toward these crimes first..

 

This is a great thread.

Thanks for the post, Sonjay.

 

see, i knew he was innocent. you guys are too hard on the poor kid.

 

I don't know about you guys, but this fucking outrages me:

 

Had you visited the link you would have read this,
"What if some classmate who was at the party decides to turn the bong over to the authorities, instead of selling it on EBay? If they find Michael Phelps’ fingerprints on it, along with residue of cannabis, he can arguably be charged with possession of drug paraphernalia, since the pipe is supposedly packed with pot. But how would you know months later that the pot was not added after the fact? How would you prove it was the same bong? The Phelps defense would be that there is no continuous chain of custody that can establish there was contraband in the pipe at the time he held it in his hand. There is no way to show what was in the pipe when he held it. Phelps would win the second leg.

Third, the pictures alone are insufficient as a matter of law to sustain a conviction for possession of drug paraphernalia. Someone would have to come forth and authenticate it as an actual pipe. Someone would have to come forth and attest to the fact that they took the photo. Without real parties to affirm and swear to the authenticity of the alleged contraband, the evidence is entirely circumstantial and legally inadmissible. Phelps wins again."

So they arrested 8 college students, one for distribution? Good thing, those college guys are an evil bunch of hippies right?

 

haha! you sound like me. since i started smoking (4 or 5 months ago i guess) i have felt much better and lost a noticeable amount of weight. Now i'm not stupid, i know weed isn't helping me, but i am using it as a substitute for being black out drunk 4 to 5 nights a week. i can say from personal experience that i feel much better, and have more energy than i did when i was drinking. on top of that, i may spend an average of $50 a month on weed as opposed to the average of $400 to $500 i was spending a month on booze. i have started working out again with very little trouble, where in teh past i have not been able to work out and when i tried it was worse than torture. the physical side effects are much less "abrasive" than what you get from booze.

just to play the devils advocate here.... performance supplements can be harmful to your body too. and not just the hard stuff, even protein in large quantities can shut down your liver and kidneys. I use to be a huge fitness buff before college (where i got a degree in alcoholism and fast food studies), and know even "light" stuff like creatine, and protein can be harmful. not to mention all the extremes people take like hgh and ephedrine (which use to be legal when i was into working out). so being sober and healthy can kill you, and being blazed and lazy can kill you.... either way we're all dying, might as well enjoy the ride

the point is not that he got predictable results from working out, its the fact that he is now ABLE to work out, where as before he was not. i know exactly what he's talking about. he doesn't wake up feeling tired, or leave work feeling tired, or struggle up stairs, or any of the stuff he use to experience while drinking and smoking cigs. the point is, that those things negatively affected him, but grass does not have those same negative affects

wow... thats just weird. when i'm "floating" exercising is the last thing on my mind. hell, i barely want to get up to go to the bathroom..... but then i remember i have to pass by the fridge to go to the bathroom and i suddenly get motivated

 

wait a minute. are you saying you've never tried it?

thats when you show up completely shaved from head to toe and either claim you have alopeica (sp), or you are a swimmer or a cyclist and so you shave everything

i dont big boy

from what i understand the hair test is very rarely done. i could be wrong but its my understanding that teh urine test is the cheapest (aside from teh mouth swab)

 

i actually looked that up. from what i can tell paraphernalia is not illegal but paraphernalia with residue is. so if you go to a shop and buy a pipe, brand new, and have it on your seat and get pulled over you cant get in trouble. but if your pipe has even the smallest trace amounts of weed you're busted. is that correct?

now, see that can vary from person to person. there is no CHEMICALLY addictive substance in weed. period. but it can be very addictive with someone with an addictive personality. there is nothing chemically addictive about masterbation but i know i cant go a week without it. for the record, my contract is up at the end of march, which means i have to not smoke for 1 to 6 months (however long it takes to get the contract resolved). stopping is no problem

i'm willing to bet your right. while weed is not as harmful as other drugs (alcohol and tobacco included) its still going to detract from performance.

 

typically i agree with you on this thread, but i have to disagree here. if i were on the jury i would find him guilty. why? because he is. yes pot could have been added later, but using that same logic dinosaur bones could have been buried as a hoax by ancient man. if i were on teh jury and it was my job to determine whether he was guilty of breaking the law i would have no choice but to find him guilty. its a law. he broke it. there is no doubt in any reasonable person's mind that he smoked pot. he's guilty. plain and simple. i dont agree with it, but he is

 

ND, quite often when I get high I want to do something, definitely no couch lock for me. Different strains however will give a different high. I have ADD and am on medication for ADD, but it still doesn't help the way marijuana does. When I'm not high it's difficult for me to concentrate on tasks and I'm quite easily distracted, there is a million ideas floating around in my head. But when I get high, I can focus my thoughts, and concentrate much better on any given task. I don't get lazy, or the munchies, the thing a lot of people don't know about pot, even regular smokers, is how little you actually need to achieve a desired effect. When I go for a ride, I roll the tiniest little joint you can imagine. People say your body builds up tolerance, so you have to smoke more and more to get "high". This is partially true, your body does build a tolerance, but the amount of drug required to notice a change is still very small. I would say my tolerance is quite high, I can smoke most people I know under the table. But I still get an effect from a very small amount of marijuana. Like anything else moderation is key.

 

I didn't write that ND, that was from a lawyer on the NORML website. However I partially agree with what you say, you and I both know he was smoking pot in that bong the jury might agree, however it is the responsibility of the prosecutor, to prove beyond reasonable doubt that there was marijuana in that bong, at the time it was in Phelps possession. Are we not suppose to treat people as innocent until proven guilty, not vise-versa?

 

damn we're similar! i have ADD too, i take adderall for it (although i hate what it does to me so i rarely take it). speaking of drugs that shouldn't be legal! adderall is just an amphetamine and can be very addictive. i used it regularly in college but only because it helped so much. once i graduated i rarely took it. it perks you up and makes you concentrate, which is good, but it also completely takes away my personality. i become very quiet and sullen. barely speak. extremities become cold (hands, feet, and yes, even my junk, which shrinks due to the cold). moody. on some occasions it makes me very violent and aggressive. makes me lose my creativity, and worse, keeps me from enjoying creativity. normally i love books and music but when i take adderall i cant read a book unless its a text book and music becomes completely boring. No food. and when i say no food i mean NO food. i have consistantly gone 24 hours with zero, and i seriously mean zero caloric intake. that means i would take it before class, around 8 in the morning, and i would go to bed that night having nothing more than water all day. My record was during exam week when i went 51 hours without as much as a tic tac. dehydration. all followed by a crash that would make Princess Di impressed (i know that was a terrible joke but i couldn't help it). and you know what? i can get a bottle of that any time i want.

what do you take? do you get similar effects?

yeah but dude, come on! the key word is REASONABLE. no reasonable human being would believe that he was smoking tobacco. Now if it had been a huka (sp) pipe you could make an argument. i have smoked out of a huka once and it was tobacco. in fact, i know multiple people with huka's and none of them use it for pot. so if it were a huka pipe, then you could make the argument he was smoking tobacco and it would be a reasonable argument. but a bong? nobody uses a bong for tobacco. especially not in a college dorm/apartment.

 

ok, thats what i thought.