Castle and queen to protect... Need advice

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yes, but consider we have border patrol agents shooting beanbags at illegals, ...getting injured/killed in the line of duty... when you find yourself in a life threatening encounter, ..you NEED every bit of luck on your side to win... it starts w/ the proper training/equipment, ...how sure are you a beanbag would stop 3 coked-up home invaders who rush you or your wife?...

 

I like a .45 ACP hand gun also it's nice to have a revolver for reliability a 357 or 38+P. Also some type of shot gun, i like a pump the semi auto can jam is you don't hane slugs in them. I have two old mossberg Bullpup's a 8 & 6 short legal. I have friend's that have saiga's and see my short legal mossberg and want one. As far as the .45 acp I'd rather hit 1 with a .45 than 2 with a 9mm.

 

I can't comment without laughing...

 

a springfield XD-M .40, and shooting lessons

 

Nice gun they come with clips,clip holder all the extras at a great price. I like the .45.

 

Fixed it for you.

 

Dead offender best offender.

 

Absolutely and totally dependent on where you hit.

 

A carbine is a TERRIBLE home defense gun. A very fundamental rule of firing a gun is identifying what is behind the target. In a home defense situation it is usually a drywalled/insulated wall. And in many cases behind that wall can be another person. (e.g. MY KID). A .223/5.56 rifle is more likely to penetrate a standard constructed interior wall (in some cases an exterior wall).

Shotgun lead is less likely to penetrate a wall. Same goes for a hollow-point bullet (designed to spread on impact). Do some research on the ballistics of different ammo, taking into consideration your particular environment.

Side note: While somewhat irrelevant in a live/die situation, many people end up suffering hearing loss from firing a gun inside a house (no where for sound to escape). It's even worse in a vehicle - more than likely it WILL blow out your ear drums. So take that into consideration as well. It's one reason I close my little boy's door at night. If I had to fire my weapon I don't want him suffering for the rest of his life.

Just my $.02, I'm still learning as well.

Edit: I carry a SA XDM .40, and have a Rem 12GA for home defense.

 

Shotgun lead is less likely to penetrate a wall. Same goes for a hollow-point bullet (designed to spread on impact). Do some research on the ballistics of different ammo, taking into consideration your particular environment.

Who needs to research ballistics?????....please don't post what you don't know.

 

He was comparing the penetrating effect of shot shell and hollow point pistol rounds to a 5.56. Based on the testing I've seen he was completely accurate. The 5.56 will have a lot more penetration than either pistol rounds or shot, even 00. Can you cite something different?

 

Yeah...go out and buy a sheet of drywall...space two pieces 3.5" in apart, simulating the resistance and spaciing of a studwall....then put a watermelon behind it and shoot from 5 yards with OO buck.
Do the same with 230gr 45acp hollowpoints...or .40SW....or wimpy little 147gr 9mm.
Report back on the mushrooming of the HP and the energy loss of the OO buckshot.
Now think of your 4yr old behind that drywall and tell me there is a PRACTICAL difference in the severity of the injuries they would receive.

 

Not saying who is right or wrong but this is a good site:

The Box O Truth - Ammo Pennetration Testing
http://www.theboxotruth.com/

EDIT: The site has grown much bigger.... go to the Orginal Chapters:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm

 

I am not disputing a single word you have said. I was only pointing out that the previous poster was comparing the penetration you are describing to the penetration a 5.56mm round makes. It is significantly different in my experience.

 

Different, yes...that's why I capitalized PRACTICAL.
Enough misinformation on TW regarding Toyotas...when it comes to firearms, it's a little more critical.

 

Wow let me jump back in here.

Thinkingman - where to begin. Ah, I know. I'll start with what I originally said. This has obviously been a hard one for you to wrap your head around, so let me see if I can simplify it. I'll go ahead and use the bold key since you are familiar with it as well.

If you read carefully, you will see that I was comparing GROUP A = HP/OO Buckshot to GROUP B = .223/.556 in a home defense shooting scenario.

I was NOT (more bold for ya) comparing the difference in practical/theoretical/implied/expressed damage caused between a HP/OO buckshot wound through a single piece of fucking drywall. While your complex testing scenario seems extremely close to a real-world scenario (sarcasm - don't want you to get tripped up here again), I will reiterate that I was NOT comparing the HP/OO buckshot to each other. JDCPA tried to explain that to ya twice (thanks).

I can't decide if I need to say that again or not...

Philip4x4sport - Thanks for that site. I think it's going to help Thinkingman understand what I'm saying, as well as others. So it looks like it took 4 interior walls to stop OO buckshot, and a rifle round went through more than 6 interior walls and kept on going. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

So Thinkingman - how about you come over to my house, I'll stand in the kitchen, and you stand in the bedroom (that's about 4 interior walls away in my home) and we'll simulate a home invasion. You can shoot directly at me with a shotgun. Then we'll swap spots and I'll shoot at you with an AR15. I better let you shoot at me first.

So what have we learned? Misunderstandings, not misinformation, has been spread though out this thread.

Thinkingman - hopefully we can be friends now, it wasn't my intention to step on your dick.

 

A carbine is a TERRIBLE home defense gun. A very fundamental rule of firing a gun is identifying what is behind the target. In a home defense situation it is usually a drywalled/insulated wall. And in many cases behind that wall can be another person. (e.g. MY KID). How many walls?A .223/5.56 rifle is more likely to penetrate a standard constructed interior wall More likely or will? again, how many walls in your supposition?(in some cases an exterior wall).

Shotgun lead is less likely to penetrate a wall. Less likely or won't? again, how many walls in your example?Same goes for a hollow-point bullet (designed to spread on impact). Hollowpoint is less likely to penetrate a wall? Is my reading so poor that I don't understand basic english? Do some research on the ballistics of different ammo, taking into consideration your particular environment.

Side note: While somewhat irrelevant in a live/die situation, many people end up suffering hearing loss from firing a gun inside a house (no where for sound to escape). It's even worse in a vehicle - more than likely it WILL blow out your ear drums. So take that into consideration as well. It's one reason I close my little boy's door at night. If I had to fire my weapon I don't want him suffering for the rest of his life.

Just my $.02, I'm still learning as well.

Edit: I carry a SA XDM .40, and have a Rem 12GA for home defense.

Pardon my use of bold type, but I need to understand and analyze EXACTLY what is in the post and question it's veracity. I'm kind of a nazi when it comes to accurate information.

 

One less offender....

My LEO buddies love writing reports for these incidents.

 

I'm going to try to stay away from pedantic sarcasm, given the circumstances....

I was NOT (more bold for ya) comparing the difference in practical/theoretical/implied/expressed damage caused between a HP/OO buckshot wound through a single piece of fucking drywall.
I clearly read that you position a carbine as a horrible home defense weapon while guiding the OP to shotgun/hollowpoint solution as more advisable due to penetration risk and harm to persons downrange. Further, I stated in my hastily constructed scenario very clearly to space two sheets of drywall 3.5" apart(if you have any construction experience, that's the approximate dimension of a studwall in a typical residence. I see above your reference to 'a single piece of fucking drywall.'

While your complex testing scenario seems extremely close to a real-world scenario two properly-spaced sheets of drywall with test medium behind it? Not sure I do get the sarcasm...(sarcasm - don't want you to get tripped up here again), I will reiterate that I was NOT comparing the HP/OO buckshot to each other. JDCPA tried to explain that to ya twice (thanks).
I'll read it again, but I'm pretty sure you suggested shotgun/hollowpoint as a less risky solution.