Tacoma Moab Meet 2012!!!!

if we can't fit everyone in BFE for a shot, we can head to the dunes for a shot...trucks on the top and below the big dune that we used as a launch pad last year

 

That would be a really cool pic with all the trucks.

Does anybody want to volunteer now to jump their truck?

 

raffle law FYI from the Attorney General of Utah


Raffles may be considered illegal gambling if they meet the three elements of the definition in Utah code Ann. 76-10-1101. To the extent that one of the elements is missing, you probably do not meet the definition. The three elements are:

1. It is among people who have given or agreed to give
something of value in order to participate or who are
risking anything of value for a return or upon the
outcome of a contest, game or scheme;

2. There is "an element" of luck in the game, scheme
or distribution and

3. Something of value may be received.

"Anything of value" does not mean just cash or money but could also
be a promise sufficient to support a contract.

 

Now that is a jump!

 

any lawyers out there?

 

From what I have read from your post as log as raffle tickets are not sold for cash or a promise to pay later then we are fine however I see a loop hole. If you ask people for let's say a 5 dollar donation to use the porta pot and they receive one raffle ticket pre 5 dollar donation then you are good to go. The money is not for the purpose of gaining something kit is being use to pay for a service

 

However the element of luck is tricky and may be our downfall

 

well they made it sound like you need ALL 3 for it to be illegal...if you are missing ONE then you PROBABLY do not apply...i love how they use probably..they gotta leave it open somehow for their personal manipulation...

but if we keep the donations to BFE and for the facility usage separate, we might be good on the raffle...everyone who attends would be allowed a chance to win for FREE!-ish

 

why cant we give every truck who shows up 1 raffle ticket. just for attending?????? then everyone can give a donation to bfe. completedly seperate reasoning and conditions.

 

until further notice...it's looking to be the way

if anyone has a lawyer in the family or friends who would be willing to lend an opinion on this matter, please reach out..thanks

 

got great news from Olaf at BFE and we're in the clear for most all our worries...

camping...good to go (just keep out of the tree line on the east side that borders BLM land)
trail run sizes...keep <20 trucks to avoid permit issues
raffle...still working out the details on this but no worries on that either

party on wayne!

 

Yes that what i got outa it, if we are just missing one of the 3 elements we are fine.


So basically the idea of anyone that shows up gets a ticket makes it safe.

 

cool! under 20 will be easy to do if we run 2-3 different trails which wil be easy to do.


kinda sad how we all can't actually wheel together tho..

 

at this point, worry about your upgrades more than the permits anymore!

so pumped!

 

....i want more time for mods...but at the same time...phuck it haha

 

we're planning a mod day a few weeks before so all moab bound trucks can get their fluids checked and final prepping done before the road trip...

 

Well you have local members...some of us live in the middle of no where haha

 

I guess ill ask the dumb question, do you really think the cops or the state of Utah is going to come out and ask questions about a raffle and who would be stupid enough to tell them hay were selling raffle tickets I know were all law abiding citizens but really the city of moab and the police don't want to mess with off road enthusiast we are the people who make it that they can live there people like us pump hundreds of thousands into the local economy they don't want to run us away that's just my opinion

 

with this event growing at the pace that it is...i want to make sure that all participants are covered and not exposed to legal issues...

would we be fine either way, most likely...do i feel better knowing that we have more areas covered and we're now less exposed to any sort of legal issue, yes..

from what i been hearing, BLM has been cracking down a lot on off-roaders and their use of the land..so why not decrease out exposure and risks out there so we can focus on having a good time and not skirting the law..

and when you add in misdemeanor charges and possible fines for illegal gambling, i'd prefer to cover my ass no matter where i'm doing it

and trail violations i heard could be assessed not only on the leaders but on everybody in the group..so that was another important aspect to have covered..