Got Radar?

Recently got the escort 9500i for x-mas (score and I have loved it. It works great. What you need to realize is that it is not a magical device and it has it's strengths and weaknesses. For cruising up and down I-15 in Utah/Idaho where there are long straight stretched of road and regular cars, it will pick a cop up from great distance. To all you radar detector haters: I don't like cops, not because I am doing anything illegal, but from a fundamental political philosophical standpoint. I've been pulled over and treated like trash for minor infractions. IMO they are just out to get their quota and really couldn't care less about actually saving MY life. If this were false, then they wouldn't engage in high speed chases like they do. Police are supposed to be serving the public, WE THE PEOPLE, they SHOULD be one of us... however they seem to have a mindset of protecting us from ourselves. I find it ironic that most of our population would prefer fewer cops speed checking at every blind hill/sagebrush pullout, yet we still ahve tons of cops. I would like to say that this is my view in general and not always true. There are plenty of well meaning smart cops out there. Either way, I'd rather not get pulled over by them.

 

I know they have GPS's in them but I was talking about hacking and tracking.

 

Theres nothing to hack, its all open frequency signals. Not much different then what your cell phone uses.

 

I can see the glare off your sunglasses from a mile away

 

I'm nor sure what the bolded part is supossed to prove...but it's the enforcing officers decision to let someone off based on whatever circumstances they feel. Not YOUR right to break a law and then expect a fellow officer to use their discrestion to let you off because of the "brotherhood."

Everyone has a reason they feel is valid that they broke a law-and most of them (like I'm a cop) aren't really all that valid.

Easy answer- Don't even commit minor infractions..No need for radar and no getting pulled over??

 

Now I'm curious, what if a person breaks a law without a reason they feel to be valid? Like, on purpose or something

 

Many years ago I tried multiple radar types and brands. I got more tickets with a RD than without by far. I got my insurance cancelled and had to buy the expensive coverage. Many years later and I've never owned another unit. I have a great driving record and the cheapest insurance rates. I am not a wild man but usually drive about 10 over on the freeways. I just don't get pulled over anymore. The problem with RD is you get too confident. Actually here in Utah they leave you alone unless you are doing something really stupid. There are enough stupid people speeding around wrecklessly that it keeps the COPS busy.

 

I've been stopped a few times by radar and asked to see the radar readout that's supposedly locked on, then never let me see it. There's also no way to verify if the speed the instrument is locked on is actually yours...that's QUESTIONABLE.
Again, differences in places, but we aren't required by any laws to let the driver see the radar readout. That isn't questionable at all, unless you're talking about someone with lesser character. I mean, anything CAN happen I supposed, but generally, I wouldn't use "he is lying" as a defense.

I never said it like that. Why wouldn't they show it to you, what do they have to hide?

As far as verifying which vehicle was locked, sure we can. It's called a tracking history. Visually watching the vehicle while keeping a good Doplar tone makes sure I'm not stopping the wrong vehicle.

You can't visually track the target when the radar unit is screwed into place and looking aft.

They're also supposed to be able to demonstrate the instrument's accuracy, usually with a serial numbered tuning fork always with the instrument. They often can't do it. The fork isn't available or some such...that's QUESTIONABLE.


I bring the certificate of calibration with me to court every session that I have tickets being heard. I bring that along with my radar log that shows that I tested the unit with the internal self test, as well as confirming the radar readout with the tuning forks. They do not have to stay with the vehicle. As long as you can show that they device was certified with "X" tuning fork, and you document that, it's perfectly fine for evidentiary purposes.

Different law in CO, but they find ways around it.

Out in the boonies they often issue a disproportionate number of tickets to out of state/county vehicles knowing they won't usually bother to take the time off work to make the two or three court appearances to enter pleas, etc...this curious coincidence is ... QUESTIONABLE.

Out of state drivers usually show a greater number of citations mostly due to fatigue, not knowing speed zones, etc. It's not the conspiracy you make it out to be.

Actually it is, at least around here. They just play the statistics to the most convictions. The more non-locals they bag, the more of them don't show up and just send in their $$...which it what they want anyway.

I know first hand that SOME officers do lie on the stand! I was on my bike proceeding up a hill. Cop was parked at the curb with aft-looking radar and identifying his targets via his side view mirror??? He says I was doing 42 in a posted 30. BS! I was going at the most 28! The traffic he clocked was moving in the opposite direction, in an adjoining county.

Doesn't mean he's lying, rather he has his facts mixed up. I mean, do you know for a fact that he KNEW it wasn't you? Probably not. You assume that since you are innocent, the cop in fact knows your innocent and yet he chose to stop you anyways. .... bad assumption on your part.

He had no way of knowing it was me. Besides picking a minimally-reflective motorcycle out of a bunch of 4,000 pound belchfire V-8's is pure predisposition.

He was using an early Cobra radar which didn't indicate if the measured vehicle was coming towards him or away from him. The doppler shift will be the same. He testified there was no other traffic in sight and that was an outright lie! He was also pointed in the direction of nearby high tension power lines, which the Cobra operating manual says not to do. Opposing traffic was all over the place...that's QUESTIONABLE.

Maybe he didn't see it, if he was looking in the mirror (how did you know he was looking in his mirror?)... I think you've built up some huge conspiracy issue with tickets; and my assumption is that you've had your fair share of run-ins in that area.

He admitted in court that he was 'visually tracking' me in his side view mirror. Actually I've only had three moving violations in 20 years.

I'd worked for over 20 years in communications with microwave, radio, done coverage and propagation surveys, showed the judge a couple of my magazine articles in the trade magazines and was accepted as expert witness. He wouldn't even consider that the officer might be in error. He kept looking at his watch too, must've had a tee time.

Then that is a judicial issue.... what was the outcome?

He found me guilty...surprise. I made the mistake of going in without a lawyer. He stated he didn't approve of non-lawyers practicing law in his court room. The cop was well prepped.

Whit

 

Pretty sure there's an app for that for iPhone, friend uses it and a radar detector.

I don't use a detector, I don't speed recklessly or blatantly, just once in a while I stop paying attention and my speed drifts up. And I get way, way less than 1 ticket a year. I've gotten 2 since I've been driving (15 years now). So... looks like I'm ahead of the game even without a detector.

Prob shouldn't say it here in front of the cops but I've broken many, many laws. Some of them fairly serious ones. And no matter what law I was breaking I have never had a good reason for it. Either I wasn't paying attention or I decided I was going to do it and consequences be damned.

 

Don't waste your money it won't work. Radar does not need any thing reflective Laser does but your reflectors in the lights are plenty good enough.

 

I think you are responding to me- And as far as committing the crime on purpose or by accident-Everyone has a reason for doing what they do. Some claim insanity, some claim they enjoy it, some say they didn't do it or they didn't mean it or they were tired or distracted etc...but they all have a "reason" they feel they should be found innocent.

 

Bold text again.

 

No quotas most of the radar sites are set up by request of neighborhood people they don't like their kids and animals being run over. Lot of the stuff on the highways are federally funded.

 

How are you going to know what car it's in and how do you propose to decipher the packet burst?

 

Bottom line if a cop wants to nail you with radar or laser he will every time no exceptions. Mostly they sit there until some one is way over with their radar on but with instant on and lasers the only thing your detector is going to do is give you and advanced warning that you are going to get a ticket.

 

Making the argument that your radar detector has resulted in more tickets than without is your own stupid fault, human error. While it is true that the cop can simply use pop or instant on to nail your ass, if you're on a road with even minor traffic you will usually pick up the signal of that same cop tracking someone else, which gives ample warning time. I do not know how effective this is with laser. Even so mine picks up most of the cop i see (and then some).

Last, of course I am going to try and follow the law, but sometimes I don't even know the "minor infraction" i am intruding upon. We have so many laws now that I may not even be aware of a new law I'm breaking, usually because its a new dumb law created because some dumb idiot caused by their own death. I live in rural S.E. Idaho. I drive 70 mi. on an empty 2 lane highway with a speed limit of 55-65 mpg (depending on where you are) traffic is minimal, I often drive the entire road only seeing 1-2 cars. I've traveled the road hundreds of times. I am safer driving that road at 75 mph than an unfamiliar driver is driving it at 45 mph. I don't need to take 20 min. extra to drive every day when I can safely navigate it faster. I don't need a cop to protect me from myself (since there sure as hell isn't anyone out there to protect myself from)

 

Since you asked:

You wouldn't know what car it's in anyways until you get a visual, just like using radar detectors, all it is is a digital map readout so you know to slow down long before a visual is ever needed. Hell, really you can ride right on by without a care in the world not even knowing which car their in.

And not all systems transmit in coded "packets" and therefor don't even require an actual decipher. Just a compatible receiver. A lot of old systems wont be updated years to come yet. For the newer more secure systems your referring to, then you'd need a way to decode it, but picking up the signal in the first place is just as easy.

 

i agree.

 

Write your wife a ticket, and tell her you'll tare it up later if she makes you a sammich