US-Mexico Drug War

Thats is not how this is gonna be solved...

Do you think your government isn't conscious about the drug problem, US government knows that you have x% of addicts that need supply, and wont provide the necessary budgeting to have them all in rehab clinics, so what they do, they let the drug in.... controlled in some kind of way, but in...

Put a wall, stop the drug smugling, and what you'll have?? addicts that cant get their dose, crazy as hell, with easy gun access..... now you have a problem.....

 

for the record, i dont use cocain because it gets me high, i use it because it's a great teeth whitener

 

Ok then how do you solve the problem then? I personally would rather try and control American addicts than highly weaponized Mexican drug lords. But thats just me.

And and certainly don't believe that there is any "control" in letting drugs into the country.

 

One solution would be to legalize and regulate all drugs similar to alcohol and cigarettes. Work with the cartels, back in the 80's early 90's when cocaine was at its peak there were very few deaths. This is because at that time the entire cocaine industry was controlled by only a few cartel groups. They controlled everything, no one opposed them, no one got killed. After the DEA disrupted and arrested members of those cartels, they fell, and many many others came up to take their place. Cutting up the pie, at the same time in the US and around the world police were cracking down on drugs, pushing the demand and price through the roof. If you take the criminal element out of drugs, and treat addition as a health problem instead of a criminal, judicial problem, the killings will stop.

 

Ok, we are doing our part, we are providing the dead toll.... what is the US willing to provide?.... I guess nothing, yet, unless the problem is recognized as bilateral.... then i don't see a solution....

Why suddenly America wants to shut down doors, economy, and lock, when they have been sticking their hands in almost every country in the world? Being economically, military, or on the international boards like UN, Now suddenly the shit, that US has help created, is hitting ya finally, now they don't acknowledge they have to do a lot to do with the problem....

 

If you want to legalize the drugs, then by all means, we need to eliminate the cartels, not sit and talk to them, they are responsible for thousands of deaths, thousands of addicts, they need to get what they deserve, not a concession to distribute, after we get rid of them cartels, then we can start to legislate drug use and distribution

 

I could give two shits about people doing drugs. Its their funeral not mine. I do however have a problem when violence spills into my country. You keep poking at a caged tiger he will eventually bite your stick.

Now if we could do this civilized then we wouldn't have a problem, but when I read that places like Phoenix have some of the highest kidnapping rates in North American well then I say it time we start capping a few jack asses coming across the chalk line illegally.

 

Thats the thing though, you will never ever totally be rid of the cartels or the drugs. Marijuana, cocaine, and opium grow naturally. The cartels hold the power, they have the power to stop the violence, if we let them run their drugs unhindered, there would be much much less violence. Its unfortunate that as soon as police, or border patrol are involved, it becomes important to do something about the problem. But the problem has been here for a long time, people die everyday on the street's from addiction. What's needed is to stop the people from consuming the drugs through education, treatment and rehabilitation. Those things can only be achieved with a regulated system. I've said it before in other threads, its cheaper to supply the junkie with the drugs, and provide support, then it is to put them through the justice system. It isn't the cartels that created the junkie, it is our society that created them. But like I said earlier, there is too much special interest in the drug money from all levels of government in Mexico, US and Canada to do much about it.

As for poking a caged tiger, who's poking who?

 

look i live in mexico its not that bad as the media sows it but im not going to lie to you and tell you everithing is perfect either.
if you want to stop drug related violence LEGALIZE IT.
that would be the bigest blow to drug cartels in history
and usa need to focus on theire own problems instead of tryng to be the older brother and tryng to help others in these tough times

 

What they need to do is put a bounty on the druglords. Money talks.

 

Just my 2 cents....

If you legalize drugs... they win!

Look at alcohal, probably most everyone on here drinks it, because it's legal. Look at the effects of Alcohalism.

Now if Cocain and other hard drugs are legal more and more people will start using. The difference with Cocain and Alcohal, is Alcohal is not highly addictive in moderation. Cocain is, once used once or twice you more likely than not will have a severe drug problem and need intense rehab. How many "crack heads" hold a stable job? Not many! So what happens to our unemployment rate? It goes up and more people will be on welfare.
If you want to legalize Marijuana, fine. Many Americans smoke Marijuana and hold jobs. Like alcohal, it doesn't destroy lives when used in moderation.

 

i totaly agree im talking about marijuana and solely that .other drugs just destroy familys jobs personalitys if they legalized marijuana alone that would be one major hit in the gut for cartels once theire low on cash then you could attack them from behind

 

that isnt working they offer millions of dollars on the cartel leaders heads but the only problem is that so many goverment agencys are basicly controled by cartels if you go out and tell them who is who youle wake up in some dessert with youre head cut off and youre finger in youre mouth theire ruthless they kill woman children church pastors they dont care who gets in theire way

 

When you kill 1 cartel leader, 4 come up to take their place. All you do then is create a smaller piece of the pie, making it more profitable then ever to kill. That is exactly what happened 20 years ago when they arrested, or killed the few at the top. Now there is more cartel groups then ever before. Just because cocaine was legalized doesn't mean more people are going to use it. It would be more difficult then it currently is to get. Kids can find cocaine any where, so can you. Doing cocaine once or twice won't make you an addict. However buying some "coke" from a back alley dealer laced with meth will. Do you really think its just jobless, junkies buying drugs? Billions and billions of dollars worth every year? Not a chance, its corporate bigwigs, business owners, lawyers, people with money, cocaine is a rich mans drug. Nicotine is the most addictive substance known to man, and I can say without any doubt in my mind that it will kill you eventually. Not to mention the health problems associated with tobacco, including 2nd hand smoke. Alcohol is also highly addictive, much more so then marijuana. And the effects of alcohol use are everywhere, drinking and driving, domestic abuse, alcohol poisoning, fetal alcohol syndrome...

Why does this have to be about who "wins", we've already lost, big time. Their rich, and we continue to waste billions of tax dollars to try and stop them. It hasn't worked in the last 30 years, if nothing changes, it won't for the next 30. This should be about creating a safer, better quality of life for all, Mexican, American, Canadian citizens. What's so bad if Joe Blow wants to get a gram of cocaine and "live it up" on his day off, shouldn't that be his choice to do so, knowing the consequences in this so called "free" world?

 

Legalizing it won't really make a difference. There'll still be a huge street demand. Many users would rather stay off the official grid than go on record at a clinic, especially if it could cost them their job.

 

put up a wall

 

If it were legal why would anyone stay off the grid? If you could buy your stuff at a store, and be sure it was what you wanted, and of known potency all recreational users would use that system. There would be no need to keep a record of people buying it? No one takes your info when you buy alcohol or cigarettes? By legalizing it you take all the profit out of the black market. Why would it cost them their job anyway? If it were legal, there would be little need for drug tests. You can't get fired for having a few beers the night before can you?

 

If you think they're going to be selling hard drugs like cocaine in stores out in the open, you're dreaming (that's the cash crop of the drug lords). Legal doesn't mean you can buy it off the shelf. It would probably be treated like prescription drugs. Hell, even medicine like Claritan you still have to show your drivers license to the pharmacy before they'll give it to you. It gets recorded.

 

If us Americans wouldn't be so damn dependent on drugs we don't have this problem.... We started this damn thing, everyone wants an easy fix to their problems. "Here... take this pill".