ABS on this truck is dangerous...

IDK

I think sufficient is a poor word , condusive to not stopping might better describe it

 

No. I WAS doing about 25, just like I said. Due to the fact that my brakes would not apply, I was unable to even maintain my speed, and was accelerated by the downgrade, to the point that I crossed the water bar at about 40, despite my downshifting. If I hadn't downshifted it would have been 50kph or better. The amount of brakes I would have liked to use was nowhere near hard braking for the snowy conditions.

And there was no water. And I was not off road.

I'm done, as you clearly don't have a positive contribution to make here, and argueing with idiots is pointless.

 

So, this is the second time in this thread jackhart has felt the need to wave his dick around - this time, ad absurdum - so I can take a hint. Holy cow... quite a resume you have there. What was I thinking trying to suggest that we were on level ground. You are the soul of awesome, sir, and apparently clairvoyant besides, knowing as you do where I live and what I drive in.

As for the rest of you, out here in the civilized world, this is called a difference of opinion. Toyota sells about 1.5 million or so of these trucks a year. Seems worth taking into account that not everybody's experience is the same, no?

I'll move on. Sorry. You guys might want to consider growing some thicker skin, though. It can be a tough world.

 

Ah, yes, name-calling. Saying everyone you disagree with is an idiot is absolutely the path to a better world.

By the way, the correct spelling is 'arguing'.

 

Its one thing to come on here and have a difference of opinion, its another to come on here and say we are not driveing correctly and its our fault that we are sliding. No one can tell me its my fault when I am creeping to a light, at maybe 2-3 mph and all of a sudden ABS kicks in and I go another 5 feet further than I would have, all of this on slushy snow. Thank god I know how this truck acts, and leave plenty of space between me and the car infront.

Jackhart said all that, because you came on here spouting about all your "talents" and he one up'ed you. I have no drivers courses, I can't afford a 911, but I couldn't give a shit. You are on a forum, full of mostly blue collar people, who enjoy doing their own work on the truck specially to save a buck. You came on here basicaly putting us down, and trying to rub it in our face that you are so "special". Guess what, go FUCK yourself. No one cares who or what you think you are.

 

I never called you an idiot. Wtf are you doing arguing with one? Shouldn't you be getting to class, as you must be a spelling teacher?

 

Are you dhk ? Cause you sound a lot like him .

 

There is very important info missing here that needs to be brought up.

1. Rule of ABS is it engages when brake pedal is pressed and detects a slipp in one of the wheels
2. It will stay engaged until either
a. Vehicle stops (all four sensors go to 0)
b. When pedal brake no longer is pressed.

This is very important piece of information. People who used to driving with out ABS will try to pump brakes (engage and disengage ABS) So for them silly ABS system in Tacoma may not be visible.
So some my think this is not issue because the way they drive. However, Issue is there, it just affects them less then other people..
So before everybody get hurt feelings. Its possible some don't see it if conditions + the way they brake minimize the problem.

 

well said my brother, well said. i just laughed when i read his response because it was both so predictable and juvenile at the same time. when "he" attempts to one up you, it is because he is superior, all-knowing and a better driver - therefore "you" must be incompetent and/or doing something wrong. however, when "you" one up him, you are merely "waving your dick around." hahahaha, ok pal, i see what you did there...

BlueT you do have a point which is worth discussing. You are correct about driving a vehicle without ABS, the proper method is to rapidly pump so as to not incur a skid or slip. However, with ABS you are taught specifically NOT to pump but to maintain steady or hard pressure on the brake pedal, because the ABS is supposed to do the pumping for you. In theory, the ABS is supposed to pump more rapidly than any human is capable of doing, thereby bringing you to the threshold of the skid, yet releasing more quickly without skidding, hence stopping you faster. The problem here seems to be under certain circumstances the ABS brakes either do not stop you at all, or at least much, much slower than if you had no ABS at all.

 

You're a pretty unprincipled guy, jackhart. Disappointing. Because if you look at the thread again, you'll see that it was you who first opened the matter of credentials, and you who closed it, right down to an irrelevant and presumptuous argument about early versus late 911s in a specific effort to one-up me. Really? Really?

Again, for anyone who might possibly be even-handed enough to read this, I only wanted to establish that you and I were coming from comparable experience so that the debate would be worth something. I've been called an idiot, been told to go fuck myself, accused of being juvenile and an elitist. All because I don't share your experience with this vehicle's ABS and don't happen to agree with your assessment of it. That all seem reasonable and fair to you?

Anyway, this is your sandbox, I guess. I'm not a regular contributor. You can consider me smacked down, and have a great day.

 

Thanks man, and I hope no one takes me wrong and thinks I'm jealous of people with money. Quite the opposite, I'm happy for people who do well and can afford things. I'm also happy where I am at, I can afford to buy a Toyota Tacoma new, I have a roof over my head, and my son, and the one on the way is, and will be, well taken care of. I just can't stand people on the internet, in person, or anywhere act like they are better than me. I'm one of those people that tries to treat everyone fairly, no matter what your "class" or how much you make. Just can't stand people like that, and I am always sure to tell them about themselves. Bad thing is, that people like that, it goes in one ear and out the other.

Ok, sorry.... went way off topic.

Edit: to responce above. . I'm over it. I said my piece.

 

I am because I support a superior hockey team




Enough dick measuring in here.....we all know the ABS sucks and anyone saying it doesn't either crawls the mall or is a douche canoe driving asshat licker

 

LOL! We will see, the pens logo is gonna look good under that XXXX!

 

Yep and I dont disagree with anything above. I only point out a possibility that some people may not have as much problem as others and it could be related to how they brake and how ABS works.
BTW ABS will never stop you faster then what human can do. Because it does not pump brakes all it does relieves pressure from brake pads to let go of rotor and for wheel to turn. Here is the kicker, rear of the truck is one line so when ABS kicks in it takes stopping power not only from one but both rear wheels. In essence truck ends up using only front wheels to stop. Exception here is Offroad TRAC version which in fact has pump to apply pressure instead of just relieving it.


So I am not sure if Creemore deserves that much hate, He may in fact be one of oldies that brakes like me and has little problem

EDIT: Also I can not stand that traction control junk. I have no idea how anybody can like that .

 

Blue T, you make good points about driving vehicles with ABS vs non ABS. As a commercial truck tech, I've had lots of training and experience on both hydraulic and air ABS systems, and I am well aware how ABS works, and how it is supposed to work and be used.

The issues with this system show up worst on rough surfaces IMHO. I've confirmed this a few times by pressing the brake pedal just enough to close the brake switch, but not apply any hydraulic pressure. The result? The ABS modulator pump runs! All that tells me that the percentage of slippage allowed before the ECU modulates the brakes is too low. Some slippage is normal, even on dry pavement. My theory with this system is that it does not allow enough slippage to be able to maintain some braking or to allow for difference in wheel speed signals on rough roads. Since that cannot be changed in the ECU programming other than a reflash by toyota, with software they seem unwilling to change, I've decided to add a disable switch. I'm also hoping replacing the shocks might help a bit, the're due anyway.
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Also, these have 4 channel ABS, so the rear brakes are separate. Thats why there are two brake hoses to the rear axle.

I too hardly use brakes when I drive, and have only had the ABS kick in at higher speeds once. I was gratefull it did, and have no complaint of its operation in that case. Lower speeds combined with rough surfaces or slippery conditions, not so much. My opinion as an idiot.

 

Sorry folks, don't mean to clutter the thread, and if a mod wants to take it out I'm fine with that, but when someone calls me "unprincipled" without a valid basis, it's time for a response.

Me, really? Let's just look at the thread again to see if that's a fact. Here's your very first post:

So first you start out by telling everyone your point is "inarguable" and that they are the ones to blame because they are overdriving their tires. And you wonder why you come off like a dick??

Then you talk about your "hardcore, rural winter driving." First mention of "credentials" = yours. Oh but wait, there's MORE!

This is your next post and the SECOND time where you talk about your "credentials" of driving in the snow. Yet later you mock me for merely mentioning that I live in the snow capital of New York, which is Syracuse. Did I mock your snow driving abilities? Uh, NO. Note that prior to this point I have not made any mention of "my" driving credentials until you called them into question.

So, this is now your THIRD post with respect to "credentials," and also precedes any mention of mine other than I live in Syracuse. I guess you don't consider listing the length of time you've driven, racing your cars and your 911, seat time on test tracks in "everything" and the dozens of cars you've owned, as well as qualifying as an EVO and taking "several" high performance driving courses as "waving yourdick around", but when I responded with similar qualifications AFTER this post, I was certainly doing it "ad absurdum?" Hrm, beginning to see a double standard here?

Telling all of the people in this thread that their driving skills are basically at fault, and that nothing is wrong with the sensitivity of the ABS system, and you're wondering why they dismiss you/telling you to fuck off?

You certainly DID raise the issue of credentials, and you did it first, and above all in a condescending manner. Read all of your comments about "credentials" listed PRIOR to mine, which show that you were, in fact, the one who started raising the issue of credentials, and you'll see why you come off as condescending, not to mention just plain wrong. I never mocked your credentials, either, as you did EACH TIME I listed mine. Again, juvenile on your part and seemingly insecure.

You listed your "resume" far before I responded with mine. Again you rewrite the facts to suit your purpose, then mock my credentials when I do, and accuse me of waving "my" dick around when in fact it was you who was shouting "look at me, I'm a better driver, no one can compare!" It's right there for you to read and see. "Inarguable" as you would say.

Unprincipled on my part? Afraid not. In fact after reading through all of your posts again in order I'd say you deserved every salvo you got here, and then some. Lying about who said what and when is pretty stupid on your part when the thread is right there in front of everyone to read. Guess you were hoping no one actually would go back and read it. In fact, one might even say doing so is "unprincipled."

 

this thread is full of morons

*unsubscribing*

 

ABS has advantages and limitations just like other braking systems.

Drive like you have ABS, and it's typically not a problem. I just wish the pedal felt better.

 

I'm not going to bother just for pedal feel. In a couple years when it's next fluid flush is due, I'll see if it can be tuned up a bit. System works fine though, in fact particularly well, which is what I care about the most.