S&W M&P vs. SA XD

IT was top heavy, didnt balance well, and i didnt like any of the backstrap configurations.

I'd burn through a mag, and weight would shift with each shot taken.
The backstraps didnt really help with comfort
the slide was much heavier than it needed to be, and was higher off the centerline of the frame. (More energy transfer, the further away from the fulcrum)

The M&P is a much lower pistol and the slide is lighter. I can shoot much faster and be on target quicker because of it.
The backstraps actually fill the voids in your hand
The weight changed much less as you shot.

The idea is like comparing a 1911, to a CZ75 in 45acp.
The slide is lighter and closer to the center of the gun on a CZ than a 1911. It recoils less, which puts sights on target much faster.

Heck, even Springfield acknowledged the issue and remedied it with their 5.25 model by placing a large lightening cut over the front portion of the slide, exposing the barrel.

 

Nothing wrong with either of them, it really comes down to which one feels best in your hand, that is usually the one you will shoot the best

Of the two choices I prefer the XD

 

I just got an XD-45. I have never owned one and never planned on getting one but I got an offer I couldn't refuse. I am a Glock kind of guy but to tell you the truth the XD feels pretty good but I haven't shot it yet. It came with the gear package and an additional 2-13rd mags. So I got the gun, hard case, 4-13rd mags, 2 mag holders, a box of Gold Dots and the side holster for $575. Pretty good deal I think. And it has had 8 rds through it.

 

You'll love it, but you'll start by shooting low. Glock uses a weird grip angle, that's why you're shooting low. Remember that and don't get mad at the XD.

Fantastic pistol and very reliable.

 

I think they are both excellent guns, I don't own either, but have shot a XD 9mm (non-M) and it was ok. Both are well built guns, but I have to go with the S&W because it looks sweet and I like the grip better. I have thought about the XD and if I were to get one I would go with the older XD (non-M) because I really hate the grip, in both angle and texture and size, it just doesnt fit me one bit.

But you really can't go wrong.



And not to be a hater, or to derail this, but have you seen the FNS-9/40 from FNH, it is the new striker fired pistol to compete with the XD, S&W, Glock, etc. And I am partial to FNH products, seeing as I own a few guns from them, FS2k, FAL, FNP-45, FN-49... soon a FNX-9 and maybe a FN-FiveSeven.

 

They are both black.

 

+1.... I bought an XD .40 sub compact and sold it after a single range trip because of the bore height and how badly it balanced. Got my first M&P about a month ago (.40 full size) and love it.

Lets put it this way - Ive sold the G23, G17, 1911 (3" barrel), and XD. Dont really like the size of Sig 229/226 although I really want to try a 229 elite. LOVE the single action trigger on my FNP's. But I prefer to shoot the M&P - Apex kit ordered so Im just waiting for arrival and installation and maybe the trigger will be nearly as good as the FNPs. Only other pistols Im considering right now are a 4 or 5 inch barreled 1911, CZ variants, and MAYBE a hi-power. A G19 or 23 may also be in my future just because the Mil/LE ones are so cheap.

 

Why buy a sub compact and look for balance?

Then compare to a full size m&p, sorry bro I can't see anything in your post that's apples to apples

 

Go with the M&P, even if it's just the fact it's made in the USA. Add to that it's a better firearm, and you have a real winner!

 

Go with the xd shot the m&p and it was all over the place. The xd has way better craftsmanship too

 

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=XD+Finish+issues

The XD I had was rubbish. They can't even paint them right.

I am a 1911 shooter, and the M&P Mimics that ideally, correct grip angle, right point of aim. No Glock Low shots like the XD does. If it's "All over the place" chances are that it's the shooter. Top weapons instructors these days are all about the M&P.

I was so impressed with my M&P 45, I went back and bought one in 9mm. I'm currently carrying the 9mm daily, it's replaced a Kimber Custom I've carried for years.

 

rubbish eh? how did springfield handle this issue?

the "low shots" are a personal preference

now that the XD has been on the market for a while there are some negatives that were discovered, but that doesnt mean M&P will not ten years later.

The XD is getting a little dated compared to the new M&P, but at the same time the XD is proven and used in the military. If some slight discolouration is the biggest problem then it's a perfect pistol for me. def will be the next pistol i purchase as for what i would need this pistol for, i really dont care about the finish, same goes for an ar-15.

 

The point is that its VERY top heavy and has a high bore axis which is only amplified if you get the snappy .40 or a sub-compact.

 

Springfield "refinished" the slide by sending me a new one 3x. The 1st one came back with extractor problems and the second one stovepiped every last round. I finally got a good slide and sold the thing.

The problem was I had to wait a long time between sending and getting it back functioning like caca was worse than the problem of the thing being broke.

I drank the "It's better than a GLOCK" kool ade, and got bit.


If you prefer low shots, your grip is too loose. People who like low shooting guns tend to have recoil anticipation problems.

I don't mind salty gear, and quite a few of my daily carry pieces look like they're sandblasted, but geez, the stuff rubbing off I can accept... flaking off in big pieces is a pain! The little flakes itch ya know.

The M&P was introduced in 2005. Then shortly thereafter, these guys tried to wreck one: http://pistol-training.com/archives/998 They were unsuccessful.

The XD group stopped at 20,000 rounds.


The XD isn't even a Springfield Armory weapon, It's manufactured in Croatia by HS Produkt. It's been out since 1999, then became the XD in 2002 with some changes for the US market. So basically the two platforms are the same age.

So your choice is a high axis, foreign made hinky pistol that's carried by the Croatian army, or an American Made, American Designed handgun that's carried by quite a few more agencies, including ones in Australia, Belgium, Canada, France, the US DEA...

This argument of "The XD is used in the Military" is getting old. Because some scrub at a gunshop forgot to tell you WHAT army, it's kinda funny to me.

 

what's funny is you think the yugoslavian army was dinky. yeah and those yugo AK-47s are real crap too

sorry you had a bad experience
knocking croatian craftmanship and engineering is really ignorant and immature


please remember opinions are just that.

good luck with your M&P, it is also a great gun.

 

My argument is that everyone makes the XD out to be !!!OMG TACTICAL MILITARY??!! While the Croatian Army I am sure is a formidable force, Why not say "The Croatian Army uses the XD" instead of "It's used by the Military" It's just that they aren't known for their military force.

If the Croatians were known for their superior engineering and craftsmanship, it would be marketed as the HS2000 from HS Produkt.

It's a design that is very similar to other striker fired weapons. However, a high bore axis, grip angle that is all wrong, (I wonder sometimes if Central European people have a different bone structure in their wrists, they tend to all favor this grip angle) and QA problems have plagued it's existence.

The XD is a nice firearm. I rather have it over something from Hi-Point or FIE, but as a natural shooter, for me, it is not. I see a lot of people with them, when you get a good one, they will go bang just about every time. My original one was good, just not great.

 

Oh yea... Strangely enough, the fact that AKs are crap is what makes them so good.

The loose tolerances makes them a gem in the desert, but alas, they tend to be another one of those "Minute of Barn" accurate weapons.

Your best bet for the money today in an AK, is actually the MAK-90. Double hook fire control group, thicker stamped receiver....

 

Yeah, the yugoslavian military did a great fucking job leading up the bosnian conflict...

I still think the UN fucked the dog on that one, and supported the wrong side. The serbs should have been allowed to win that conflict. Its not like supporting the radical islam side of the fight did us *ANY* favors 6 years later...

 

what side did the UN support?

where did the croatians fight that wasn't on their own soil?

 

The Serbs are Christian Europeans.
The Albanians were the invaders and they are Muslim.
The UN sided with the invaders.

Alot of murky water got spread back and forth about what happened, but the biggest thing is that the albanians were trying to take the country, in the name is islam, and the serbs told them to go fuck themselves. They fought, the serbs killed alot, and we got the UN in a tailspin thinking that there was mass genocide going on. Sure, the serbs killed alot, but looking at that instance in this day and age, i have to agree with the serbs.

It'd be similar to Jordan invading and taking over israel, and israel killing as many as possible to prevent a take over, then the UN stepping in and saying "no no no, bad israel, you have to let them take over"



Moral of the story, the whole area between Austria and Turkey is a fucked-to-death pile of burning shit.