Let's have a TW discussion

Sometimes I don't think we do...

 

yep, ..you'll probably remember such recent cases that were "tried in the court of public opinion"; OJ simpson, duke lacrosse team, casey anthony, ..etc..

you can bet members of the italian mafia would get arrested for putting "bounties" out on other people, ..let alone in broad daylight like the black panthers did... why aren't the black panthers being arrested?

spike lee and roseann barr tweeting addresses out to the world, knowing full well the intent is to encourage vigilantism...

are these folks that much different than the conventional "mob"?

 

yep, i think that one is... that was his 1st twitter account pic i think...

 

I live here and I for one love STAND YOUR GROUND, Here is what will happen there will be Zimmerman in cuffs and a large waste of tax $,,, can you guess what the outcome will be... HE WALKS ...As my lawyer told me no one can go inside your head and say if you were in fear of losing your life OR not.. You dont have to like it but HE walks a free man...As far the civil wrongful death, The man has nothing. In Fla its a judgment paper you can wipe your ass with..... Glad to call FLA. home..... Jim

 

As I understand it, Zimmerman alleges that he was following on foot, and confronted as he was returning to his SUV- so his actions would fall under Stand Your Ground.

A lot of supposition has taken place by members of the media and by sharpton and his buddies. The yells and scream for help may very well have been coming from Zimmerman- who has apparently claimed to have been the one screaming. If that is the case, it completely puts to bed the media narrative that would suggest that Martin was on the ground begging for his life when he was executed by the white (actually latino) devil.

There are things in Martin's background that suggest he was a thief and a burglar, so he was almost certainly not the innocent kid that folks would like you to believe.

As for the cops, as everyone now knows from the video, the police did indeed take Zimmerman into custody. They took a statement from him, the report was written and everything they had was turned over to the State Attorney's Office. Thats how Law Enforcement works in this State.

The only reason they wouldve had to arrest him would be probable cause that he (Zimmerman) committed a crime. In order for them to have arrested him based on that, a Sanford officer would've had to file a Probable Cause affidavit, which they couldnt do, due to a lack of evidence. So they let him go.

If you want someone to piont a finger at for this guy not being in jail, point it at the State Attorney's Office.

Bottom line is that the legal system was working as it was set up to work.

Zimmerman shouldn't have been following Martin on foot, imo. But that was a lapse in judgement on his part, not a crime. And I dont think getting your ass whipped is an appropriate punishment for his mistake.

And if that ass whipping commences after Zimmerman stopped following him and was getting back into his SUV, and involves the slamming of his head into the ground while he lies on his back, all bets are off.

 

didnt read the whole thread, but i really love how every video and picture has OLD ass pictures of both of the people...they make the kid out to be some young kid and make zimmerman look like he just did blow off a hookers ass.

full investigation needs to be done....there are too many WHAT IF's and im not going one way or the other but if there is reasonable doubt...then i dont believe they can convict him, there is only one story to go off of and thats zimmermans and its self defense (he was roughed up and bloody when police arrived, to me that kinda sounds legit).


Thats why for all of us gun owners if you ever HAVE to use deadly force...you better damn well make sure you kill the SOB...cause then there is only one story...YOURS

 

+1 well said!

 

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muddin, i largely agree w/ you, but i'd insist that the right self defense mindset is to do whatever is necessary to stop the threat... while we still don't know what really happened in this case, ...there is the possibility that if things went pretty much like zimmerman's claims, ...it may be a legitimate self defense act...

...now, the real problem is that the LSM and race-baiters and black panther mobsters already have made up their mind that zimmerman is a scumbag skittle-eating kid murderer and, of course racist - blah blah,... IF the investigation leads to not enough probable cause, the mob that has been whipped up on racial tension and emotion is probably going to erupt... i fear this could end up like the LA riots... people in sanford, keep you powder dry...

 

I have not read through this whole thread myself, and due to me not knowing all the evidence I'm also not going to even bother to put my opinion on it out here.

With that said, I will give my opinion on block watch. In my job I obviously deal with people who are involved in block watch programs. Which I'm not sure are a good idea in the 1st place. IMO, just tell people to call 911 if they see something, you don't need a "block watch" to do that.

The people involved in these programs tend to think they are some type of law enforcment, and try to get involved in things the should not. Now this is not all off them, but a good amount. Specially ones that are the "block watch captains" Which I heard but I don't know for fact that this guy was. They are the worst at trying to be way too involved in things they shouldn't. Some of them also want to be vigilante's.

Anyway, this is all just IMHO of course. Also the guy didn't seem to have any life threatning injuries so I question the last resort was to shoot, but like I said I don't know all the facts or evidence.

 

i'm in favor of neighborhood watch, ..by and large i think it's a good thing and allows citizens/residents to oversee their communities... neighborhood watch is not the job of the police, ...that would be on a scale like asking the trash collection man to empy out every wastebasket in everyone's home himself.. the role of police is to "respond" to events and investigate criminal activity, run the jail, etc, ..i.e. they can (and should) only do the heavy lifting... citizens should take responsibility for their own neighborhoods well being, ..that includes keeping a watchful eye..

 

I agree, but it seems when they get a label, they take it to far.

 

perhaps, ..but that can happen in any kind of organizational structure... i think it can be a deterrent as well, which i'm all for... some communities put up neighborhood watch or crime watch signs...

 

Yes it can, but when you have people who start to think they are law enforcemnet, and then they start to carry a gun? Recipe for disaster. I can't prove it to you, you will just have to take my word for it, but I know for a fact, these people take to way too far.

When I 1st started my job, I was 19 years old, It took me awhile not to be some what paranoid being around people, after you hear the craziness I hear, you would be shocked at how many crazy people are out there, and some of those same people are involved in "block watch".

 

i don't think zimmerman was carrying a gun, as a function of being neighborhood watch, ...i think he just carried a gun same as millions of people in the US do... in fact, i don't think zimmerman was even on watch duty the night of the incident, ..from the account i heard he was getting ready to go to the grocery store or something, ..and saw trayvon on the way out...

 

Like I said I can't comment on that, as I do not have all the facts. But I do know he was told by the 911 Operator to not follow, and atleast while he was on that call, was still doing so.

Either way, its not my point, my point is untill you have seen/heard what I have you will never quite understand how some of these people act.

 

it wasn't a "command", ..it was "we don't need you to do that"... probably meant for his safety... if all zimmerman did was follow to get a look and assess whether it was nefarious or a false alarm, ..then i don't see a problem w/ it... i don't see any indication that he was "hunting him like a dog"... either way, it comes down to who assaulted who...

i don't doubt there are overzealous folks doing this out there, ..but we don't know if that was a factor in this case..

 

LOL, it seems you just like to disagree with me, so this is the last thing I'm going to say. What he should of done was, called 911 gave a discription of the person he was calling about, and why he was calling about him. That's it, its not his job to follow someone and report every move, and as it turns out "we don't need you to do that" was good advice now wasn't it? In essence 2 lives where lost and really for no reason.

 

^^^^^^Bingo. This whole thing could have been avoided. Not his place and not his job to follow someone walking down the street. Call 911 and move on. Let the police deal with it.

 

whether he "should have" or "shouldn't have" is only known in hindsight... as for checking things out, following etc,... that's an oftenused tactic when reporting activity to law enforcement as things unfold... kind like if you see someone driving erratically down the highway (drunk driver) you call it in and may need to follow to keep law enforcement informed (license plate, change in course/street/direction, etc)..