Whats safe without a Brake controller?

he didn't say he had the brakes fully applied, that would be a dumb idea with a trailer behind the truck. I'm sure what he meant is that he was caught off guard, and wasn't able to stop where he wanted, he never said it was an emergency stop.

Just because you made a bad choice to tow too much weight, with no trailer brakes, do you really think it was a good idea? I sure hope not. I'd also hope you aren't telling other people to make the same bad choice...

when the trailer weights more than the truck, which one do you think is in charge?

 

id go for it, just dont drive like a bro and youll be all set

 

the moose doesnt BS..

 

Well that answers that question...

 

Hydraulic surge brakes have a solenoid valve on the actuator at the outlet pipe. This gets wired into the 7th pin of the plug so that when you put your transmission into reverse, it blocks fluid from going into the brake lines when you reverse against the actuator. Ancient stuff is maybe done differently, but as I have mentioned, if you have electric brakes, that is just 5 pin. 7 pin is special for surge brakes.

 

OK so why don't we read this carefully... what exactly does brakes locked up mean in your world??????!!!!!!! If your brakes are locked up, you are fully applied... get it? Or do I need to give a class to you on brake operation and theory?? Try reading what he said next time before defending it.

Also, about your comment on too much weight....yeah I'm not really worried about that because I know manufacturers do tons of durability testing with trucks including towing 120% of the rated towing weight for that vehicle. And if you want to know how I know that it's because I worked for GM at the Desert Proving Grounds in Mesa AZ. A tacoma is perfectly capable of towing 6000 lbs easily, I do it all the time.

So you can get on here and talk talk talk all you want and regurgitate a bunch of stuff other people say and blah blah blah but those of us who actually are not too scared to use our truck for an actual truck know what it can do.

So go check your garage and make sure their is no dust on your little baby truck and give her a kiss for me, mine will be gettin shit done son!!

 

Everything working properly except the trailer brakes.

Ford F150 - pre ABS.

Trailer weight approximately 5000 lbs.

On non-ABS equipped vehicles, you can lock up your brakes at any time even without a trailer.

And I didn't say I couldn't stop. I said I couldn't stop in the space I expected.

The truck skidded on another 5 feet past where I planned to stop. Fortunately, the vehicle in front was 6 feet away.

All of which echos exactly what you said earlier - when towing a heavy trailer without trailer brakes, you need to tow carefully and always allow plenty of extra space to stop.

So I don't see why you're giving me shit here.

 

You did not specify you were in a non-abs equipped truck, OP has a 2007 Tacoma. I can Completely believe that a f-150 with its shitty ford brakes and no abs went skidding but you are comparing apples to oranges.

 

I appreciate all the input guys. However I don't want this to turn into a mass e-fight. No need to argue or call people liars. I dont think im going to end up towing that load.

 

Just do it, don't listen to these nervous nellys and naysayers . Most of them have never put more than groceries in their trucks...

 

You're focusing on the skidding. Granted the ABS equipped truck won't skid. However, it'll still be pushed by the momentum of the load, and take longer to stop than usual, even at low speed. That's my only point here.

It all depends on your tolerance for risk and different folks have different risk tolerance.

Here's a different case to think about the problem in a different way. The analogy isn't perfect for a couple reasons, but work with me:

Your driver side seat belt fails on Friday evening. You've got an outing planned for the weekend. Do you:

A. Skip the outing and have the truck towed to the shop for repair because you don't want to drive it?

B. Skip the outing but drive the truck to the shop for repair yourself on Monday?

C. Take the outing and then drive the truck to the shop on Monday?

D. Say F**k it. Seatbelts are for p*****s?

There is no right answer. It's all about your own tolerance for risk.

 

yes and when you BUILD trailers you have to place your order at DEXTER, you have to 'BUILD' the axles and check off the options and get the HYD SRG backing plates with reverse.

 

I hope you don't mean that you think 7 pin connectors are specially made for surge brakes, that's certainly not the case...

 

This is true for surge actuated hydraulic disc brakes only.

surge actuated hydraulic drums have a simpler and more foolproof mechanism built into the drum itself.

This is a rare enough set up that whoever's wiring up the particular trailer wires the reverse light switch into whatever pin's available. It's highly custom.

It's a little weird to have hydraulic surge brakes in combination with a 7 pin connector. Usually surge brakes go on "drop dead simple" trailers that have a 4 pin flat plug.

 

if the trailer had it's own brakes, they would have slowed the load down, because they didn't it forced the truck to try and stop all that weight, which lead to skidding.

Air craft wings are also tested way beyond what they are used for, should we start pushing the limits of those too, just for fun?

If you are comfortable pulling a trailer, weighing more than your truck, without brakes on it then go for it, but telling other people to do it, who don't have the incredible amount of knowledge and GM experience you do is a dumb ass idea.

And don't start calling people out for not abusing our trucks like you do, I'll do whatever I have to do with my truck, but just because I own a truck doesn't mean I drive around with a load of bricks in the back.

are you tying to prove how manly you are or some shit?

 

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I don't know what y'all haul in Tenn. But I'm a TARHEEL and I grew up and around pick-ups and have hauled and towed tag-a-long trailers all over the eastern us.

 

Yeah OP if you have any doubt don't do it. But if it's in a rural low-traffic setting and you can drive slow you'd be fine with that load and no brakes. But it's certainly not worth the risk if you're uncomfortable and have little towing experience.

 

i have towed this no problem with out brakes. rhino is about 1300, atv is 535, and trailer i’d say is around 700 rang maybe a little more.

 

we haul everything! some guys just haul toys some building supplies. some haul cars. and some haul it all from time to time like me and dad.