Big Brother & your Drivers license

This year in Ca. they have started putting the RFID chip on to the license itself, New York & Arizona also does this now, does your state ? & what do you think the ramifications are to this tracking chip ??

 

probably nothing. its not an electric card and is not giving your coordinates to the government so they can send you away to space on an alienship in the middle of the night and stick you in a room playing justin beiber.

its prob just so they can scan it instead of entering all your info into the computer for various reasons. NBD.

 

why not just swipe across cutting it in half it with an exacto blade to diasable it?...just suggestion for all the tinfoil hatters out there .... doubt there are any ramifications..but then again, i had no idea cali are now utilizing the chips. need to read up on it

 

Most RFID chips have a range of only a few inches, a few can get out a couple of feet.
They do not have a battery, they are powered by induction from the reader.
They are not GPS. They can not transmit your location.
They can't be read while you are in your vehicle by something outside that you pass... putting it in an aluminum wallet will completely shield it.

It simply allows a cop or other agency to scan your information, same as with a bar code or mag strip. There is nothing on the bar code, mag strip, or RFID that isn't already on your license.

Take off the tinfoil hat.

 

its not a tracking chip. It cannot give your location or anything like that. Its the same chips they have been using on dogs to show there identity for years.

 

This ^^

 

Thannnnnk youuuuuuuuu!

 

Now Bluetooth?


That's something to be worried about.

Detectable range is spec'd to 30ft for connection, but the MAC can be easily read at 200ft. My city tested a system to report traffic flow and average speed over an arterial that worked by logging Bluetooth MAC's at various locations, determining the speed, and then averaging all detections to provide the engineer with his traffic data.

A similar system caused an uproar on Black Friday a couple of years ago when a news report came out that a shopping mall was using a system to track the movements of shoppers.

Now, THIS system only detected the MAC... but a system operated by the police that could potentially connect your MAC with "you"... Now there is a device that you voluntarily carry that can provide your location and movements to your local police agencies.
Even without Bluetooth, your cell phone provides a basic location at all times based on what tower your phone is connected to, and cell carriers provide that information under court order.

 

i dont think anyone has to worry. there is no battery in the license as you previously stated.

 

They've been putting the magnetic strip on since the 90s, and some bars had a reader... made it hard for someone underage to make a fake ID.

But the RFID chip is new. Started with the new license that was released last year.

But Bluetooth phones and computers with BT can be a threat.

 

Not wearing or needing a tinfoil hat, nice answer, . & not saying theres some dark conspiracy either but a few of you seem so concrete in your responses that theres nothing to it , THATS the scary part , & the gov. never lies, & of course the world is flat, but no worries I asked the question & ya'll responded , its just an opinion, & yeah maybe for now the technology is weak for it, or maybe it isn't , only time will tell & if you think I wear a tinfoil hat its only because I think you have your head in the sand, ya know its a ying/yang thing....

 

Which is why I brought up the issue with Bluetooth.

Current technology poses no threat from the RFID chips.

Current technology poses a threat from Bluetooth... but nobody seems concerned that they are voluntarily offering their MAC.
Instead, they get up in arms when a company takes advantage of that information to aid them in marketing and managing customer flow.

 

True, but it doesn't explain the tinfoil hat comment & trust me , not butt hurt over it just asking for intelligent input without any derogatory slants or comments is all...

Maybe not you (think your old enough to remember) but for most here are pretty young & dont really know how things were before technology kicked into high gear, thats why I kinda bring up the whole RFID chip in the license thing, I mean first the Ca. DL was no more than a fiberous piece of stiff paper, then it went to a credit card sized piece of plastic with a strip on it with personal info, assuming it contained the same info as displayed in front should the front be mutilated & unreadable, the mag strip could be swiped to get info on the holder as such, but apparently thats not enough & the integration of an actual RFID chip is placed in/on the DL, its not hard to find if you know where to look from what I was shown, its the tiny ,vertical raised # on the back IIRC , I'm just saying the technology jumps way ahead & implemented before any ethical/moral/legal questions get resolved, & no matter how you slice it, this is a dangerous slope to be on, just like your mention of the bluetooth, starts out (or is marketed to the public) as a friendly ,harmless tool & as you yourself points out, it reveals itself as maybe not-so-friendly tool of convienience,

Do any of you have a facebook ? (99% of ya do pretty sure) & its a harmless media used to communicate with others right ??

Maybe now not so much....

So who's to say what good/bad this chip represents , only time will bear it out

 

The tin foil hat was to me being a smart ass. I erased it because nobody took it as sarcastic...

 

I've spent the last couple of years on CalGuns and some motorcycle forums.
I'm used to people going completely over absolutely nothing, so I tend to be a little "loose" with the TFH comment at times.
And I had heard some hardcore TFH claims over this exact item 2 years ago when word of the chip and the "Real ID Act" first started spreading.
People were swearing on a stack of Bibles that the contents of the chip could be read from hundreds of feet away, and of course, they were able to post links to web sites that supported their assertions.

People don't trust the government, and that's a good thing.
I don't trust them either, even though I work for them.
But I trust the media even less. I stopped giving ANY information or interviews to any media source over 10 years ago because anything they print or broadcast is completely NOT what was said.

Exactly. We must be vigilant and keep informed of developments as technology progresses and be aware of potential incursions into personal freedoms that are not currently covered by law.

Nope. I set up a LinkedIn account when I was looking for work a few years ago, but I rarely log in.
I don't do Facebook or Twitter.
I opened a Myspace account to help our daughter with some projects she was working on using Myspace to market... I haven't logged in there in a year or more, and never posted anything on the account.

That'll do it... though I'd be concerned about some of the other materials in the license being a problem for the MW.
But you'd not only zap the chip, but also the mag strip, so it might end up creating more inconveniences down the road.



Honestly, I don't have a problem with the chip or mag strip, as they stand to reduce the potential for a cop to mistake my identity through a similar name, or a mistyped piece of information... and it happens.
Had an accident 2 years ago... got rear-ended, and my DMV printout now lists the incident with the incorrect VIN for the vehicle I was driving.
So I get popped by Officer Friendly for speed, and he runs my license, but instead of inputting K9171091 he transposes and types K9117091... and that happens to be the number for someone with a felony warrant.
Suddenly Officer Friendly isn't very, and it's not the beginning of a good weekend for me.

So if something can reduce the amount of writing that an officer has to do, I'm all for it.
If it turns out that in 10 years it can be used to track a person's location from remote, then I'm going to work to make sure that can only happen with a court order, similar to a wire tap.

 

With all the info listed here, I don't fret in NC with a CCW, Class A CDL Haz-Mat, a TWIC card (TSA Homeland Security Checks) and the State and the Feds. wanting an update every 1-2 and 5 years of what type of driving and a copy of my medical card,and last but not least FMCSA .I think a little chip is the least of my conserns.

 

:wileyC:

 

sheesh... I'm as old as you and still have a sense of humor.

I thought the tinfoil hat comment was more entertaining then this thread

You old people are getting unsocial and paranoid

 

It's because we've been exposed to the stuff they put in the water a lot longer

 

Your right I give up, I coulda gotten the same responses on craigslist, whats up ? TTORA run you off for the night ??

AHHAAAhahahah !! there ya go , sense of humor,


you kinda failed on both accounts you neither had an intelligent response , or a funny one