Penn State is gonna pay

98tacoma27 · Jul 17, 2012

sammy87 said: ↑

Sadly I feel that if this happened at any other major univ, it most likely would have been handled very simlar.

I dont think the PA tax payers will be on the hook because they still get most of their money from private donations and football.
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Don't think we are paying for it...

The Higher education funding cuts over the last two years......2010/11-2012/13 repectively

Education - Higher Education $1,888.......... $1,587 -15.9%

...in millions

Larry · Jul 17, 2012

98tacoma27 said: ↑

Don't think we are paying for it...

The Higher education funding cuts over the last two years......2010/11-2012/13 repectively

Education - Higher Education $1,888.......... $1,587 -15.9%

...in millions
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wait for the "bail out", when penn state has to pay out 100's of millions in civil penalties.

I'm sure China will lend the money.

PAlittlematty · Jul 17, 2012

Punishing the university as a whole for the actions of a handfull of people is totally irrational. Tuition won't suffer either. They just had the 3rd highest donation year ever.

Larry · Jul 17, 2012

PAlittlematty said: ↑

Punishing the university as a whole for the actions of a handfull of people is totally irrational. Tuition won't suffer either. They just had the 3rd highest donation year ever.
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no one is suggesting so.

however, the question is?...can the university afford 100's of millions in litigation & civil penalties costs?

PAlittlematty · Jul 17, 2012

Probably. They spend millions every year building new buildings. They just finished. $300 million dollar science building

Larry · Jul 17, 2012

PAlittlematty said: ↑

Probably. They spend millions every year building new buildings. They just finished. $300 million dollar science building
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with cash on hand?

cool.

XXXX · Jul 17, 2012

sammy87 said: ↑

Sadly I feel that if this happened at any other major univ, it most likely would have been handled very simlar.

I dont think the PA tax payers will be on the hook because they still get most of their money from private donations and football.
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http://www.rockthecapital.com/03/09/scotts-piece-2/

sammy87 · Jul 17, 2012

Larry said: ↑

so...you believe private donations are going to continue to roll in, knowing that much of those funds will go toward litigation (lawyers) and ultimately huge civil payouts?
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I really have no idea. I know PSU had maybe still has the largest alumni network in the nation, so there is money out there for them. However if I still lived in PA I would not let my kid go there. There will be more fallout from this, more people involved to be exposed. All to protect the football program. I think they should get the death penalty. SMU got it for much much less.

pittim · Jul 17, 2012

PAlittlematty said: ↑

Probably. They spend millions every year building new buildings. They just finished. $300 million dollar science building
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Plus they're more than just State College. There are like...20 branch campuses. The school has almost a $2 bil endowment.

subwayaz · Jul 17, 2012

They probably will pay

98tacoma27 · Jul 18, 2012

Headline in this mornings paper...

Banner urging removal of Paterno statue raises eyebrows across Penn State campus

UNIVERSITY PARK — A small silver plane circled around Penn State’s campus Tuesday for about two hours, towing a banner with a blunt message about the image of Joe Paterno standing beside Beaver Stadium.
“Take the statue down or we will.”

The message didn’t sit well with some people, including university employee Diane Farley.
“It was the threatening nature of it that made me feel people were invading our home,” said Farley, who saw it from inside her office in the Ford Building and during her lunchtime walk to Rec Hall.

“That’s not helpful.”

It’s not known who paid an Ohio advertising company to fly the message, nor was it revealed to whom the “we” refers. And the plane didn’t make attempts to take down the statue, as the message implied.

But what it did do was cause quite a stir.

The statue that became a makeshift memorial to Paterno when he died in January is now at the center of the debate over any lasting legacy he should have here after the Freeh report accused him and three other top-level administrators of concealing sex abuse allegations against Jerry Sandusky.

Federal Aviation Administration records show the plane, a single-engine Cessna 150M, is registered to Air America Aerial Ads, out of Genoa, Ohio, which is near Toledo. The plane’s tail number was N66637.

The pilot flew in from Toledo to the Ridge Soaring Gliderport in Julian on Tuesday morning, took off again and made several circuits of the area around Beaver Stadium. It landed again shortly before 1 p.m.

The pilot, a silver-haired man, would only say he was from Toledo and wouldn’t give his name or who he worked for.

James Miller, the owner of Air America, refused to say Tuesday who paid for the banner, instead saying in a phone interview “I’m in advertising” and “I believe in freedom of speech.”

The FAA grounded a plane from Air America in 2010 after it towed banners that taunted Tiger Woods during the 2010 Masters golf tournament in Augusta, Ga.

Penn State was well-aware of the stunt, said spokeswoman Lisa Powers.

But there wasn’t anything they could do about “this expression of opinion,” she said, as any restrictions would have to come from the FAA.

A spokeswoman for the FAA said Tuesday that the administration doesn’t regulate “any advertisement of message placed on banners that are towed by aircraft.”

As the heat is turned up on the university to address the issue over the permanence of the Paterno statue, Powers said the university is “taking additional precautions” regarding security. But she didn’t elaborate on what those measures would be.

Tom Knauff, who runs the gliderport off U.S. Route 220 Alternate between Julian and Unionville, said he had no idea what the message said. It’s common for banner-towing aircraft to use the facility, such as for messages during Penn State football games.

From her office on campus in the Agricultural Analytical Services Laboratory, university employee Donna Maurer saw the plane flying over after her boss alerted her and her co-workers about it.
For her, what was most upsetting was that “someone would have the nerve to do it.”

“We’ve all suffered enough already,” she said.

“It’s just putting such a bad, negative light on the university,” Maurer said.
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Deuxdiesel · Jul 18, 2012

So if your son was being recruited by Penn State to play football (which means other Big 10 schools are too), would you let him go there?

98tacoma27 · Jul 18, 2012

Deuxdiesel said: ↑

So if your son was being recruited by Penn State to play football (which means other Big 10 schools are too), would you let him go there?
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Me?

It's not my decision. It's his...hypothetically speaking of course.

sammy87 · Jul 18, 2012

Deuxdiesel said: ↑

So if your son was being recruited by Penn State to play football (which means other Big 10 schools are too), would you let him go there?
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Depends on what perks the other schools are offering.

Larry · Jul 18, 2012

Deuxdiesel said: ↑

So if your son was being recruited by Penn State to play football (which means other Big 10 schools are too), would you let him go there?
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NO

If I had a son with college level football ambitions...

He would go to a southern school.

Alabama
Auburn
Tallahassee
Gainesville
Georgia
LSU...

Spitz Stang · Jul 18, 2012

Larry said: ↑

NO

If I had a son with college level football ambitions...

He would go to a southern school.

Alabama
Auburn
Tallahassee
Gainesville
Georgia
LSU...
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^ ^ ^ ^ This. The SEC IS college football. Everyone else is in the 'Also Ran' category!

98tacoma27 · Jul 23, 2012

The Paterno Statue was removed yesterday. The NCAA is to announce it's sanctions against Penn State this morning.

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/07/22/3268875/ncaa-expected-to-announce-unprecedented.html

The NCAA isn’t waiting long to announce its punishment for Penn State.

The organization issued a news release shortly after the Joe Paterno statue was removed Sunday that it will be holding a 9 a.m. news conference today to announce “corrective and punitive measures” for Penn State. The news conference will be held at the NCAA’s offices in Indianapolis.

NCAA President Mark Emmert and Executive Committee chairman and Oregon State President Ed Ray are participating in the announcement.

A NCAA spokeswoman declined to provide further details about the announcement. Penn State spokesman David LaTorre also declined to comment.

Emmert said in a PBS interview last week that the organization is examining all of its options in response to Penn State’s handling of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

The timing of the announcement is a sign that Emmert has received a written response from Penn State President Rodney Erickson to a letter sent Nov. 17. The letter outlines four questions regarding compliance, ethics and procedure the university must answer regarding its handling of the scandal.

The NCAA’s ruling will come less than two weeks after the release of the Freeh report. The investigation and resultant 267-page report conducted and compiled by former FBI director Louis Freeh details the role four major university figures — Paterno, athletic director Tim Curley, former president Graham Spanier and former vice president for finance Gary Schultz — played in covering up the scandal involving Sandusky.

Sandusky was convicted last month on 45 of 48 counts of abusing boys and is in jail awaiting his sentencing. Curley and Schultz are facing charges of failure to report abuse and perjury connected with a grand jury probe of a 2001 incident. A pretrial hearing for Curley and Schultz is scheduled for Aug. 16. Paterno died of lung cancer on Jan. 22, exactly six months before his statue outside Beaver Stadium was removed.

One of Emmert’s options includes the NCAA death penalty for the football program. The NCAA has issued the death penalty to just one football program in its 106-year history. Southern Methodist University was forced to miss the 1987 season because of improper benefits to players.

“The fact is this is completely different than an impermissible benefits scandal like what happened at SMU or anything else that we’ve dealt with,” Emmert said on PBS’ “Tavis Smiley” show last week. “This is as systemic a cultural problem as it is a football problem.

“There have been people that have said, ‘Well, this isn’t a football scandal.’ Well, it was more than a football scandal. Much more than a football scandal. We’ll have to figure out exactly what the right penalties are. I don’t know that past precedent makes particularly good sense in this case because it’s really an unprecedented problem.”

Paterno was honored with the NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award in 2011. Emmert was the NCAA president when the organization honored Paterno with the prestigious award.

Spanier is a former chairman of the NCAA Division I board of directors and Bowl Championship Series presidential oversight committee.

Talk of possible NCAA sanctions started circulating outside Beaver Stadium shortly after the statue’s removal Sunday morning.

“I’m worried that they will give us the death penalty,” said State College resident, Penn State graduate and recent trustee candidate Vincent Tedesco. “I’m worried for State College because of the economic impact, I’m worried about the kids that go to school here and I’m worried about (coach Bill) O’Brien and the players.”

The NCAA’s swift action has surprised Pompano Beach, Fla., lawyer Michael Buckner, whose firm specializes in college sports law and NCAA infractions. Buckner said in a statement Sunday that any NCAA-imposed sanction against Penn State at this stage may potentially violate federal and state notions of due and fair process for five reasons:

• The school’s conduct is not a violation of an existing NCAA rule.

• The NCAA didn’t publish a process and procedure to address the issues relevant in Penn State’s case.

• The NCAA is not adhering to existing enforcement processes and procedures.

• The NCAA is treating Penn State differently than other schools that were involved in sexual assault scandals or other serious criminal misconduct.

• The NCAA failed to provide Penn State written notice of allegations, an opportunity to respond at a hearing before the NCAA infractions committee and an appeals process.

“As legal counsel for colleges and universities before NCAA committees, we are extremely concerned about the possible NCAA actions and urge the organization to comply with its existing processes and procedures to address the Penn State sexual abuse scandal,” Buckner said.

Guy Cipriano can be reached at 231-4643. Follow him on Twitter @cdtguy
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sammy87 · Jul 23, 2012

PSU hit with $60mil fine, Paternos wins to 98 are wiped off the books, and they lose 20 scholarships for 4 yrs. I would have liked it to be worse but they're going after the football program which is good.

JDMcQ · Jul 23, 2012

sammy87 said: ↑

PSU hit with $60mil fine, Paternos wins to 98 are wiped off the books, and they lose 20 scholarships for 4 yrs. I would have liked it to be worse but they're going after the football program which is good.
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Probably the biggest hit, no Bowl games for four years.

PSU will appeal for certain.

98tacoma27 · Jul 23, 2012

jdmcq said: ↑

Probably the biggest hit, no Bowl games for four years.

PSU will appeal for certain.
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I agree.

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