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What happened to global warming?

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  1. Aug 13, 2012 at 3:26 PM
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    Seems the last "Big" quake (the one that hit Japan) shortened the length of a day by 1.8 microseconds, so it seems China is helping us out with their big ass dam. And FWIW, A microsecond is one millionth of a second........which is a pretty small fraction of time.
     
  2. Aug 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM
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    Doing some more research.......it seems teh chanching tides influence the length of a day quite dramatically......both lengthening it, and shortening it. Makes sense.....as a high tide moves a shitload of water......
     
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    Because turning off a light when you leave a room insults them some how. :notsure:

    I just leave it at it's "america, land of the over weight and lazy"

    America is all about image, and sustainable or healthy things don't flow well that concept.
     
  4. Aug 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM
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    Your quote was part of it

    How do human CO2 emissions compare to natural CO2 emissions?


    The skeptic argument...
    Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions

    “The oceans contain 37,400 billion tons (GT) of suspended carbon, land biomass has 2000-3000 GT. The atpmosphere contains 720 billion tons of CO2 and humans contribute only 6 GT additional load on this balance. The oceans, land and atpmosphere exchange CO2 continuously so the additional load by humans is incredibly small. A small shift in the balance between oceans and air would cause a CO2 much more severe rise than anything we could produce.” (Jeff Id)

    What the science says...

    The natural cycle adds and removes CO2 to keep a balance; humans add extra CO2 without removing any.
    Before the industrial revolution, the CO2 content in the air remained quite steady for thousands of years. Natural CO2 is not static, however. It is generated by natural processes, and absorbed by others.

    As you can see in Figure 1, natural land and ocean carbon remains roughly in balance and have done so for a long time – and we know this because we can measure historic levels of CO2 in the atmosphere both directly (in ice cores) and indirectly (through proxies).

    But consider what happens when more CO2 is released from outside of the natural carbon cycle – by burning fossil fuels. Although our output of 29 gigatons of CO2 is tiny compared to the 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year, it adds up because the land and ocean cannot absorb all of the extra CO2. About 40% of this additional CO2 is absorbed. The rest remains in the atmosphere, and as a consequence, atmospheric CO2 is at its highest level in 15 to 20 million years (Tripati 2009). (A natural change of 100ppm normally takes 5,000 to 20,000 years. The recent increase of 100ppm has taken just 120 years).

    Human CO2 emissions upset the natural balance of the carbon cycle. Man-made CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by a third since the pre-industrial era, creating an artificial forcing of global temperatures which is warming the planet. While fossil-fuel derived CO2 is a very small component of the global carbon cycle, the extra CO2 is cumulative because the natural carbon exchange cannot absorb all the additional CO2.

    The level of atmospheric CO2 is building up, the additional CO2 is being produced by burning fossil fuels, and that build up is accelerating.
     
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    the real expert on "climate change" :D
     
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    Is that the science from dr. up papers from england???:)
     
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    Yes, those quakes are strong. But, you suggested that humans do not have the power to affect the earth. In my world, a human work that alters the rotation of the planet counts as affecting the earth. Whether or not other natural actions also change the rotation of the earth is noise in the context of your question.
     
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    Ok.....I stand "corrected". However, I personally think that a ".06 microsecond" influence is as good as nothing. As this .06 microseconds is simply a mathematical guess. And it cant be confirmed given the daily siezmic activities that influence it more.
     
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    If you delve into it, you'll find that none of their work was actually doctored up. The scientists involved were exchanging ideas and challenging each other over the course of their research. Their hacked emails were taken out of context.
     
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    I would say that six one hundredths of a millionth of a second has no effect. And again, the value was in theroy.
     
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    "I’m oddly fascinated with what the right has done with climate over the past 10 years, in turning it into a culture war issue — almost like busing. They took this very bloodless thing and made it into something that’s right up in your cheeks when you’re arguing at the Thanksgiving dinner table with your soused uncle. And that’s an impressive accomplishment." - Chris Hayes

    I am also amazed with how this issue has been spun. Absolutely amazed.

    First guy: "Hey guys, our actions might be screwing up the planet, maybe we should look into changing our fuel sources and improving our technology to avoid ecological collapse and severe social unrest."

    Second guy: "Hell, no! You communist! How dare you take away my God given right to burn as much oil as I want to? My grandfather didn't use fluorescent lamps and I won't either!"

    First guy: "Um..."
     
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    I got the quote from here:

    http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=2234&mid=11883608&pt=msg


    More info from the link I found it at, had your google-fu been more accurate:



     
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    This is nonsense. One, we don't subsidize oil companies, that's just political blabber for "we don't tax them enough". Not taxing is different than subsidizing. A subsidy is when the government pays money to have a particular result (e.g. a farm subidy which pays a grower not to grow or uses public money to offset a high cost item like ethanol so it can "compete"). Oil companies receive no tax break that is not available to any other company.

    Two, making things that can power off hydrogen is not the problem. Making hydrogen economical is a problem. For example, we can make hydrogen fuel cells, however it's cheaper and simpler to just put the energy in a battery and not bother using it to generate hydrogen in the first place (you lose energy making the hydrogen and you lose energy when you convert it back into electricity). Unless you have something like a nuclear power plant making it, it's an energy expensive process.

    Plus, hydrogen power has a lot of big problems it has to overcome besides making it like transportation, infrastructure and storage.

    http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/08-03-12/

    As for solar, it's already being subsidized. You can get a 30% federal rebate with no upper limit if you buy solar (btw, that IS a subsidy). In addition, you may get some extra based on what your state provides.
     
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    sure like to have that check back. :D
     
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    I notice that the global warming debate always seems to flare up around August. You guys do realize that August is the hot month in the northern hemisphere, right?
     
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    ofcourse. After this, the Global Cooling debate starts.....IIRC, around October.....
     
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    "The average temperature for the contiguous U.S. during July was 77.6°F, 3.3°F above the 20th century average, marking the hottest July and the hottest month on record for the nation."

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/
     
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    All this warming shit will pass in the next ice age, then what will the sheep have to fear??? Oh thats right the real fn cold....
     
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    yet the global average is only up .92* F. ..............
     
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