AR-15 BS Thread

ditto: http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...ped-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html

 

Well I am definitely not buying the cheapest or to just look at. This will be my second gun and I've shot a handful or ARs already. I've watched some videos/read posts about building versus buying.

The main reason I want to build it is I want learn about all the internals and how everything goes together and functions. If I buy one already made and good to go, I have no idea how that thing went together (without doing research obviously).

Also if ever something happened to it I could probably diagnose the issue easier if I built it myself. I am not going into this with a blind folder on either. I have a couple friends who have built ARs so of course I've been asking them a ton of questions

 

Didn't even think about the 6.8 or 300blk. Thanks guys.

 

If you're assembling it to learn how to assemble it, and that's your end-goal, ok then. I tend to be more interested in the shooting part.

and just so you know, if you wind up with some wild hair up your ass to put it all together, you can take your factory gun apart and put it all back together, and now you know TWICE as much as any assembler.

 

the 300 flies in a parabola like an angry baby chucking its rattle making accurate range estimation way more critical than it needs to be. The 6.8 shoots in a flatter trajectory making range estimation and hold-overs/unders more forgiving. I find the 300 to be a giggle gun and an answer to a question nobody asked.

and that's after 2k+ rounds of 300 blk downrange, mostly suppressed. Which means I have about 2k more rounds downrange of 300 blk than most 300 blk owners.

There are currently no expanding 300 blk subsonic rounds, so whatever benefit there might be to shooting it suppressed are totally negated on anything other than paper, and if you're just shooting paper you might as well just shoot the .223 anyway.

 

FIFY

My next build will be the 6.5 or 6.8......whichever i can manage to find a barrel AND bolt for first

 

The .22 winds up with the same problem past a certain distance. at 100 yards it can be as much as 5" low, and that's with a "high velocity" load. I'm no benchrest/nappytime/sniper/precision shooter, but with a .223 and a 100 yard zero I can hold at dead on out to 200 + yards and still hit within 2" low of line of sight.

But that's a common misconception, that the .22 is somehow analogous to the .223, simply because they are both .22" dia. projectiles. It's a shallow interpretation at best.

.22 trajectory
http://www.gunsmoke.com/guns/1022/images/22hv_plot.gif

 

i was referring to the "shooting paper" comment
if all you are shooting is paper, might as well shoot the cheapest ammo

i'm well aware of the .223 trajectory

 

Glad to have you back, Rob. I follow your posts on facebook.
I will be taking my first non-mil. shooting course next month. All your talk of training helped push me over the edge to spend the money on some courses.

 

If you are a Reloader the 6.8 has a lot more bullet choices than the 6.5. The 6.8 is my choice for hunting. It gets far better numbers out of a short barrel (16 or less) as well. I use the 95gr TTSX loaded with AA2200 powder and am hitting velocities right at 2940 fps. That bullet has been tested on pig and deer with exceptional performance and mostly nothing but DRTs. The draw back is price of ammo however the Hornady 120 SST is half the price of the 95TTSX and a few guys on the 68forums are having great results with that as well (both factory and reloaded ammo). If you want a really good bolt barrel combo for a great price check out AR15Performance.com.

Here is a pic of my hunting rifle chambered in ARPs 6.8x43.


Also Silver state armory is loading 140gr Bergers specifically designed for the 6.8 which is still supersonic to 1000 yds. This chamber just continues to grow and I couldn't be happier with mine.

 

It's not all stag dude.... Like I said it's a PSA lower as well and i put some mag pul shit on it. It's not like I just stupidly paid $1300 for a stag ar.

 

Pics/details or shen!




I can kinda see how it adds up. Some of the magpul stocks are damn expensive...maybe a UBR stock?

 

I know you were, and it's still not applicable unless you're only shooting paper at 50 yards or less. And the question wasn't whether or not you understood the .223 trajectory but the .22 LR, which is why I posted a graphic of the rimfire.

One reason to choose .223 over the Blackout, or 6.x over the blackout, is to get the flatter trajectory so that you don't have to be quite so spot on with your range estimation. Going to the .22 LR, regardless of what you're shooting with it, would be pointless then as it has an even worse parabola than the 300.

I find that most people that go looking for bigger bullets would be better served buying more of the smaller ones and learning how to shoot. For folks that are active hunters there may be a legitimate need for the bigger bullet, but I've never failed to kill a hog with a .223 and never seen a bigger bullet kill one quicker. What I have seen is hundreds, if not thousands, of people on the Internet with big-bullet ARs that they will tell you are for hunting but which have done nothing but sit in a safe and never gotten bloody.

 

I agree with Rob 100% on this. I shoot my .223 year round and use my 6.8 for hunting only (except load work up and sight in before hunting). One of the biggest complaints from a few guides I know is that the hunters don't spend enough time on the range practicing and are just not good enough shots.

 

I agree with you on this, unfortuantely I don't think many states allow hunting with .223 Here in SC you can't even hunt hogs with it; only coyotes. So I have to get a larger caliber for hunting. Currently just using my shotgun for deer. Would like more range.

 

You can use any caliber for hogs during the day, and to be honest, even though I think I know it's not legal here to use .223 on deer, I can only find language that says .22 rimfire.... I'm probably overlooking it though.

http://www.dnr.sc.gov/regs/pdf/huntingregs.pdf

When PSA has the savage bolt actions on sale again, pick one up. They make a fine hunting rifle. I picked up a .270 last time, and might go for a .243 next time.

 

Yep, for those that actually hunt and in states that won't allow the .223 you definitely want a bigger caliber. What I was referring to is the AR guys that go spend thousands of dollars on a bigger-caliber "hunting" AR but have never been hunting before, never will go hunting, and wouldn't be able to find a deer with a flashlight and a corn pile. It's all just an excuse to go waste their kid's college fun, and then they'll complain about how they don't have enough money for ammo to go train or to go pay for quality instruction.

FWIW, in Florida you can hunt hogs on private property with just about anything and at any time. There a certainly hogs that are big enough that they might challenge the .223 but I wouldn't shoot those anyway as they're likely to taste nasty as hell. I prefer a 60-100 lbs female for eating. If I owned a farm and was doing pest control I'd probably just get a cheap .308 bolt action.

 

To add to the 6.8 conversation. There is about to be a major flood of 6.8 on the market. a major manufacturer is making about 1.5 million for a major contract and my understanding is that the factory is NOT going to slow production once the delivery on the contract is made. There is a lot of big news for the 6.8 coming in the next month or two.

 

rumor has it that wolf is going to be comming out with a bunch of 6.8.....i can't wait. i love me some combloc surplus ammo

 

Reason why I haven't jumped on the 6.8 wagon is because the shit costs so much to shoot. There is also an AR being developed with a magwell specifically for the 6.8 and magpul is coming out with a 6.8 specific PMAG for this rifle. The dimensions will be open source and we will have a third caliber variant AR architecture on the market. BE looking for this to be official in a month. I like 6.8 because it kills skinny people. I will be investing into this architecture.