Why Diesel?

Traded my '03 Tundra on it in '05, we were planning on buying a toy hauler and upgrading the home.
Wife's condition got worse instead of better and she ended up on disability. Kiss the new home and toy hauler goodbye.
My company issued me a company car.
I lost getting a check for $0.55/mile for business use (about $1500/mo), and did not have a place to park a 3rd vehicle. I literally put 300 miles on the Duramax the last 6 months I owned it. Spent that 6 months trying to sell it... I owed 34k, book value was 36k, couldn't get an offer above 30k, so after 6 months I gave it back to the bank.

I put 45k on it between August 2005 and April 2007.

 

the energy content of diesel fuel is higher. thats why they need to add the turbo. there is not enough air with normal aspiration to burn enough fuel to make enough power.

this alone is why i am partial to diesel. now, what with saving the planet and everything, a bunch of crap needs to be added to the system to get it to burn "clean". this puts mileage and power numbers in the dumps.

so diesel, at this point, is a wash, unless you live where they dont care if you throw 5" strait pipe from the turbo back. if you live there, diesel is inarguably beneficial. for us in california, a diesel taco would just sound funny and that would be all

 

FAP.

 

I bet your keyboard is very sticky?

 

sorry..this is a horrible example! one truck can roll around with the other truck in it's bed. this is an example of WHY a diesel is advantageous in the MPG department. you get the same 3/4 ton in gas..and the mileage is about 15.

 

To me, the whole discussion about diesel versus gas engines for the Tacoma is fairly moot. With the Tacoma's steadily declining sales in the United States in recent years (147k in 2000, 111k in 2011), Toyota is not likely to spend big money introducing a new engine lineup here anytime soon. Instead, Toyota recently released the Tacoma's 4.0L V6 gas engine in several overseas markets, suggesting they intend to stay with this engine (here & elsewhere) for quite some time. After all, this engine outperforms (horsepower, torque, towing, & cargo) their largest (turbo) diesel currently available for the Toyota Hilux overseas.

 

I think the Tacoma's sales numbers have declined in the past few years because people see that it costs as much and burns as much fuel as a full sized 1/2 ton (which is especially true when most people put a lift kit and oversized tires and other stuff on) while not being as capable in tow ratings and room or space. The 2nd generation Tacoma's should have been a lot closer to the Hilux and had a diesel option and actually delivered much better fuel ratings and they would have sold a whole lot more of them. Bigger isn't always better depending on the application.
I also think the Tundra should be just a little heavier and come with a 6 or 7 litre turbo diesel so that there is a much bigger difference between it and the Taco than there is now.

 

could the lack of new toyota sells be due to the fact that the 13 is almost exactly like the 05? (minus a new steering wheel, entune, different front end, and some extra chrome, meanless cosmetics to me and many others i assume) and used trucks are cheaper than new trucks and they're toyota so whats an extra 50,000 miles give or take for $15,000 less? there is no real need for people who have older models to trade in on a new because they have been the same for 8 years now, and if they do what reason for the next guy coming to buy a 13 not to buy the 09 that just got traded in? maybe a diesel option would bring in more sales, maybe not but i would put money on even less tacoma sells next year if the 14 doesn't change and even less the next if the 15 doesn't
Unlike GM, Ford, and Chrysler; toyota vehicle last with very few problems with my experience and my 05 with nearly 170k on it will be in my driveway (pending a wreak or tornado) for 18 more years or so. then if somethin happens to it i'll prolly still keep it and may drop a diesel in it, most assuredly if toyota doesn't off offer one by then.

 

that was my point, that diesels do get better mpg even in bigger heavier trucks. just the upfront cost is hard to justify when new diesels get around 14-15 now and the gas trucks are near same now. My parents also have a 99 ram v8 that gets 9mpg empty or 7 hauling any load.

 

Hell Yeah got that shit right haha

 

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1550 ft/lb of torque

FAP? FAP

 

I am going with the fact that all of the ameritards think the fords,chevy,gmc are better to buy for america?

I personally like the smaller truck a lot better. If you are either wheeling/crawling or mall crawling a bigger truck sucks for that.

If toyota was smart they would make a hybrid version of the Tacoma. I think they have a good start with all the prius systems they have. I would be much more likely to buy a hybrid version taco than a diesel version.

 

I don't really agree with that. When shopping for my new truck last year (almost exactly one year ago), I looked carefully at the alternatives available. After all, I've owned both a Ford and Dodge in the past - never a Toyota. While the load and towing capacities were impressive, the prices for a well-equipped Ram 1500 or F150 were just shocking (both approaching $45~50k).

At that point, I reevaluated my needs and decided a smaller truck might do. Most couldn't tow enough or whatever. However, after much research (with the Tacoma being among the last looked at), I ended up with my current truck. Have not regretted that decision one little bit.

By the way, with each of those particular vehicles (Dodge Ram-series, Ford F-series, etc), the diesel engines were amongst the lowest selling - not one diesel engine outsold a gas engine. I see no reason why a diesel engine option for the Tacama would be any different. Same with the Tundra. Besides, those buying diesels are most often looking for a much larger truck (Ram 2500, Ram 3500, F250, F350, etc). The Tacoma is just not in that market.

Sorry, messed up that last paragraph completely. Too many interruptions (wife called, tv dinner on for lunch, etc). Fixed now.

 

Those buying deisels as a work truck maybe but u don't see anhalf ton or mid size trucks with diesel options for better economy, did 3/4 ton gas really out sell 3/4 ton diesel? That blows my mind.

 

Well.. he mentions 150 and 1500 which are full size but aren't 3/4 or 1 ton trucks and offer no diesel options that I know of. So I can't imagine between 3/4 and 1 ton they sold more gas. Maybe if you compare 1/2 ton gas to 3/4 and 1 ton diesel but...

 

That's what I mean. When offered the.choice between 2 identical truck, other than one being diesel and one gas I cant see gas outsellin diesel by much if any.

 

The diesel engine package is $10k more or so. If people don't need it, they won't pay for it. There are a lot of people that buy the diesel, find out they don't need it, and offer it for sale cheap for all the cool kid farmer hillbillies to pick up and roll coal all over. Then they buy a gasser because most of the time they save money with gas.

 

Well the thing is, well where I live anyway, the GM, Ford, & Dodge trucks carry the same heavy price tags when they are heavily equipped. But, they don't actually sell for that most of the time. Typically you can get a $9000 to $12000 discount on those trucks while Toyota never gives those kind of deals. So yes, the Tacoma does end up costing very close to the full size domestic 1/2 tons and the Tundras remain really quite expensive. I think Toyota has or at least they perceive that they have that advantage and don't have to play the overprice/deep discount game. I think there is some validity to this.
Now I am also unaware of any diesel 1/2 tons in the North American market at the moment but I have read in a past issue of Truck Trend that Cummins was developing a 4 or 5 cylinder diesel for this market. That would be cool. And it would also be cool if Ford's ecoboost was a diesel but that's wishful thinking.

Good thing I love my '05 DCLB Tacoma. I just don't feel inspired enough by anything on the market right now that would make me want to "trade up".

 

If u spend 70 a week on gas, A savings of 30 % (50% better mileage 15% higher cost 5% room for giggles)fuel cost would pay for itself (10k) in just under 4 years which would be a year before.the vehicle is paid off. Up front cost wouldn't be.much more since it would be.financed at 3% 10k would cost.about $60 more a month after fuel savings. If u were only goin to keep the truck for 3 or less years it wouldn't be as advantageous but if your plans for ownership exceded 4 years it only makes sence to me to go diesel.