Oregon and Washington BS thread

Didn't say I would go on a hunt, but if he was in eyesight, he would be down. Never said concealed carry was a replacement for LE, but my response time to someone I see harming others or me is ALWAYS faster than the nearest LE personnel. I know far to many people who have prevented harm to themselves or others by pulling a CCW, simply brandishing it, not even firing a shot.

CCW carries have ended situations before. I have not heard that those situations have caused more panic. I believe that if someone has the means to end a situation before LE gets there and doesn't, lives are lost. Not like cops and SWAT storming a mall causes calm and tranquility to flood the area anyway. Honestly, I've shot competitively against LE personnel and I am a better shot, if not as good. Not to mention LE in the Portland area is rife with a history of insanely improper firearm usage.

Edit: Honestly, so what if more panic happens for a split second? If he is down, my gun will be immediately concealed again. LE isn't going to storm the mall shooting at random people, unless you're in Russia. Bystanders might tackle you, big fucking deal. Obviously no one tried to stop him, so I doubt anyone would try to stop someone who is stopping him. More panic means people just run faster or hide harder. The situation will get sorted out, but what matters is the attacker will be dealt with in a manner that stops him in the fastest way possible.

I'm curious how a guy with camo and body armor was able to get inside with a full sized rifle? Not exactly low pro, stealth mode. Doesn't the mall have security personnel? I'm legitimately confused. Pulling a handgun out of a coat is one thing, but a God damn AR with body armor in the middle of the mall?! Not easy to conceal, I have one, you don't conceal those suckers.

 

My 21st gift to myself will be a ccw along with a pistol.

 

Understandable. And again, Im not trying to be a dick.

I've been wondering that as well. A "Full Auto" rifle is no small thing to pack around

 

I highly highly doubt it was full auto, unless it was stolen from the military or police. A semi-auto will shoot fast enough to practically be full auto though.

 

Yea, no worries. It just comes down to me trusting myself in that immediate situation more than someone else barging in with incomplete info. That and most people in a crowd won't put their neck on the line and complicate the issue.

I heard it was semi auto...Full autos are exceptionally expensive and hard to get ahold of legally. You can always modify or black market it, but I would be extremely wary of some news caster claiming full auto. Has LE done a news conference yet?

These situations suck. It pretty much boils down to a guy that is suicidal, but won't kill himself so he drags LE into the mix to do it for him. Not a whole lot you can do to deal with it unless someone close to him notices issues before he snaps.

Edit: Nvm. Guess he did himself in. So shitty to pull that stunt on your way out.

 

^^^^ Yep! I also heard semi-auto. I guess the police aren't releasing much yet. Still sorting it all out I guess.

 

n.hat be alot of fu.

 

http://youtu.be/wWoLGC-n4i4

 

Didn't you all notice the "QUOTES" around my Full auto. Thank you Oregon media

 

my bad... haha. Didn't notice them...

 

lol yep. You can always depend on them to say something...fanciful.

 

https://soundcloud.com/producermatthew/emergency-scanner-traffic-from

Scanner traffic from the shooting

 

Hm, there's a lot to say here that I want to say, hoping to do my best...

First, a CCW isn't a decisive answer. I think it is an option that the correct set of individuals, regardless of employment, should be able to freely pursue and possess, and the world becomes the better and safer because of it. Not all individuals, despite a clean history, have the proper capacity to be entrusted with such a license.

Second, I do not think you possessing or utilizing a CCW should be public knowledge. I do not like making everyone aware of my CCW, but since I figure that this post will get buried quick enough... yes, I have one. However, I tend to keep quiet about it because in a life or death situation, my most powerful asset is the element of surprise. I don't want you shouting, "Mike, shoot them!", or trying to rely on me to do something. I do not have combat training, and I don't want to become a target simply because people are aware. If at any time I pull my gun in defense, it should be a complete surprise to everyone that I even had the option, or was capable of producing a lethal option.

I have known many individuals who have a CCW and believe the license makes them James Bond. "I saw that Clackamas thing, and man, I'm always with my sidearm. I would have opened that guy UP!" The reality is that most of these individuals are more likely to hurt people or die from bravado or inexperience. They might just freeze up and do nothing. In a situation such as Clackamas, the average person cannot decisively say what they could or could not do. Some people can really handle a situation and make a change, some don't have the option, and some, despite the gun on their hip, the training, the endless weekends of hunting and marksmanship... shit their pants.


This last weekend I was at an indoor shooting range. Next to me was a couple who had bought some zombie targets and were having fun trying to get headshots. At the end, I overheard the girlfriend say, "I just don't think I could use a gun." The boyfriend responded, "but I want you to have one. You know how dark it is on the way to the car and what I think about that..." It's true that she is putting herself in a danger situation, but she's far more correct about whether she should be carrying. At the end of a gun class I attended, my instructor said, "despite how much I endorse protection with a firearm, it is paramount that you understand who you are. If you can't trust yourself with a gun, then you must be true to yourself and know that it is not right for you to have one. It then becomes a danger to you or can be something that is taken away from you during a life or death situation. There are other means of defense - martial arts, tasers, kubotans, or even proper planning."

I agree wholeheartedly about Rob being on par or better than many officers. Unfortunately, many officers have never fired anything but their service weapon, and they typically fire on an infrequent basis - some do not like shooting at all. Many civilians, however, shoot a wide variety of weapons at varying range and varying terrain, and shoot on an accelerated basis due to hobby and a high level of interest.


I highly believe that CCWs are incredibly too easy to obtain. It should be harder. Earlier this year, I attended a class that lasted about 1 hour, consisting of a few brief videos, a rushed explanation of state laws, and a detailed explanation of how to obtain a CCW. By the end of this brief meeting, which was shorter than some college lectures, I had the means necessary to file for 3 licenses. After a few fingerprints, under $200, and about 1-2 months of waiting on the mail, I will be legal to carry in 90% of the country. I didn't have to read a book. I didn't have to hold a gun. I didn't have to ever shoot a gun. Other than a background check, I was never verbally asked about my mental capacity, there was no assessment about my motives, no questions about my responsibility... yet in one evening class, a 15 minute trip to the sheriff's office and a bit of postage, three states can issue me a license that says they have entrusted me with a license that says I am responsible to carry a hidden deadly weapon

Without knowing your background, I would say a better gift is the Personal Security series classes from Jim Jacobe. I have only taken the classroom CCW permit class with him, and I fully believe his classes are the yardstick the whole system should be measured on.

 

Hope that didn't sound all preachy



On a different note, my christmas cookies came out looking like big turds. Literally.

 

I couldn't agree with that more. As much as I believe people should be able to have a CCW license, simply having one doesn't mean they are capable of using a firearm or making the best decisions with one. The majority of the people I know, I trust they wouldn't make a situation worse. They may just shit their pants and not do anything, but I trust that if they do act it will be intelligent, given the circumstances. However, there are some people I know that I don't understand how they have a CCW and the responsibility that comes with it. Either because they will go into hero mode or have lacking mental capabilities or they simply can not handle a firearm. Not going to lie, the lax requirements for a CCW do bother me. All it takes is for one guy to screw up and then nobody gets a CCW.

Its definitely one of those situations where you can't say how you would react one way or another for sure. The best option is to be proficient with a firearm, so if you can do something other than freeze you won't be harming other people at the least. Having a CCW is much like getting a CPR or first aid related certification in my opinion. Doesn't do you any good without consistent training and until you have to use it, you won't know how you react. A few weeks ago a guy had a heart attack at a function I was at. I couldn't do a darn thing because I have zero training for that. Luckily a buddy used to be a firefighter and EMT, so everything ended on a good note. Immensely bugs me that I wasn't able to do anything though. One of those things were you at least want the training and hopefully you don't freeze up if the time ever comes to use it.

 

But yea, on another note...

Flopped one of these yesterday. To much turning brake and to deep into a rut on a corner. That moment when you realize you're going over and its time to enjoy the ride is sooooooooo less aggravating than when its your truck. You just flip these back over and keep going.

 

If I had the disposable income for it, I'd probably make a club with you. I rode in RelentlessTaco's side by side, which is ~sorta~ the same, and they are BLAST.... and yes, it flops? Push it back up.

 

Jelly! Lets go shoot!

 

CHECK THIS OUT!

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/

 

Ill throw this out here. For you guys who like to listen to scaners this shows the Washington and Clackamas current EMS/Fire calls. You can also listen to Washington County Fire/EMS dispatch by pushing the button in the upper right hand corner

http://www.wccca.com/PITS/