Right-to-work law: yay or nay?

Not sure. I think it has some to do with non union companies can cut out the lazy and pay more to harder working people? Vs if you're union, and have a crappy work ethic its all good, resulting in more unproductive works draining the company.

With labor laws of today, which are greatly the result of old school union, the unions are becoming more of a problem and frankly not needed anylonger.

I do however think that private unions are great.

 

So if I lived in NJ and wanted to be a teacher I have three choices:

-Join the union and pay $700+ dues
-Not join the union and pay $600+ to not pay dues
-Move to a different state

Makes sense to me

Unions are a good idea gone wrong. Unions represent democrats, republicans, and independants last time I checked. They should not be able to use funds to support any political party or political gains.

 

I worked in a union once as a welder. I can say that it was the worst employment experience of my life. I was always in trouble for going above and beyond what was expected of me, even to help out a co-worker who was having trouble keeping up after an injury. I put up with it for about 10 months until I sold my house and moved to a great Right to Work state, NC. I have the freedom to do what I like, and I'm payed very well for being a mechanic in the Pharma industry.

It's been said before, if there is a benefit to joing the union, people will. If not, they won't. People should have a choice.

Also, IBTL.

 

Unemployment rate several points higher in union vs right to work states.

Companies leaving union states and moving to RTW states, and providing jobs. Shame on them.

Also, states with auto manufacturing in RTW states are not broke like the union states with auto manufacturing.

 

Check who the party who the unions support. Follow the money.

 

I see your point. I also see corporate America doing this but NOT paying the good workers more. this why business is running lean today. Less people doing more work for stagnant wages. This is what I see everywhere. I work in manufacturing.

 

That is true in alot of regards. Companies are hoarding money for the last few years due to constant uncertain due to the governments inabilty to lead, pass laws, ect.

 

John Deere is union shop and every time I'm in the plant there are several guys always standing around and it takes like 4 guys to do a 2 person job. They have an extra welder in each weld bay just so the guy doesn't need to walk from one side of the part to the other. And the 30 minute lunches are more like 45 minute.

 

oh yes, it happens for sure. It also happens in the non union shops. they are just better at hiding it. Waste is everywhere if you look for it. You think the government thats trying to crack the unions is a tight ship?

 

Those Chrysler workers that were boosin and gettin high at lunch really says a lot about the state the union has gotten to. We should kill all the lawyers.

They should all be fired, and charged with public drinking and drug use. They are whats giving unions a worse name than they have had in the past. People hate that shit cause we are fired when we get caught, no questions about it.

 

It's definitely not allowed in the shop I work at (john deere part supplier). For example, we do timed weld sessions on our parts and if the welder isn't keeping decent pace he is pulled from that job and at greater risk of being let go sooner. The boss also gives out generous bonuses to the guys that bust ass. Some of the employees are trying to bring in a union because they came from a union like john deere and didn't work as hard as they do now. The company is fighting it as much as possible.

 

Exactly, I still can't believe the Union would stand behind those workers.

 

Those guys were given their jobs back after the suspension...with back pay.

Union attorneys argued there was not enough evidence.

 

Who wrote, kill all the lawyers? Mark Twain?

 

I had the benefit of working in two seperate factories producing the same product. One was Union and one was not. (right to work state) here is how they compared. the non union plant payed a little more. Reason>>to prevent unionizing. So the Pay was a little higher due to the Union across town. Thanks guys! Next differance was that everybody in the non union plant was pissed off at a few a-hole managers. Everybody in the union plant was pissed at everybody. co-workers and management. next differance, if you had a problem with a manager in the union plant, you talked to your union stewart. I can tell you, this was a joke if you were not one of the good ole boys. In the non union plant you valled the Employee assistance program. I don't know about all of the EAP's but with this company I got real and immediate results including a public apology from the plant manager.(his job depended on that). Next differance is, in the union plant, a few good, pridefull employees carried the load for the plant and there was nothing you could do to make the lazy ones work period. In the non union plant, everybody worked their butts off. the biggest differance is the non union plant is still in operation, the union plant has been gone for many years. I will say though, the other plants in the area affilliated with that union did an awesome job of getting those displaced workers new jobs. Kudo's. Now my opinion is this. When I find a union that will only accept the best of the best in that union, and said union can walk up to an employer and say "You want our workers in your plant" and that plant know that to be true, at that point, I will join another union, and not before. Hope this made since.

 

I know this part to be true sure as death and taxes.

 

I think I just went blind...

 

My brother dealt with union employees at a auto parts manufacturing plant in Michigan. He is an industrial engineer. He did time studies on the employees to help the company plan for output. He took the slowest member on a team and timed how long it took him to do a particular task. He then took that time and subtracted even more time and made that the goal for the shop. They still couldn't make it.

There was no winning with them. They set up bonus programs. If the bonus was based on quality, they'd get a very low yield of high quality products. If the bonus was based on quantity, they'd pump out a ton of crap parts.

My wife is a union employee at AT&T. She gets paid well but she took an optional pay plan that the company offered called 60-40. They took her regular union hourly wage and cut it by 60% but they offered her larger bonuses for sales output. Out of a shop of about 100 employees, only 3 took the deal. Since she's a good worker, she makes much more than the other union employees (about 35% more than she made before the switch). The company is trying to force that pay style on the staff in the hopes that it will boost sales revenue but the union is opposing it (any new employees being hired are 60/40). They've been in contract talks since last April.

Even with unions though, some can be reasoned with. Even in the Hostess debacle, the Teamsters had agreed with the company. It was the smaller baker's union that screwed everyone over during the negotiations.

 

Twenty years of expierence with UPS and teamsters union have given me quite a perspective on Unions and corporations. Ups demands productivity, from the day you start till the day you retire, no exceptions. Every morning your supervisor looks at reports from the day before, looking for mistakes you made to FIRE you! Every day your supervisor wants to fire you, for the littlest mistakes, very stressful environment! But the union is there everyday to fight for you, even in right to work states that don't require you to join the union, the union fights for you everyday. On average, every ups driver that retires has been fired three times, and the union got they're job back. One friend of mine, who worked faster than anyone, was fired twenty times, and got his job back all twenty, he finally quit after 24 years without retiring, because he was having homicidal thoughts about our supervision and didn't want to feel like that every day.
Ups has never lost money! Period! Don't tell me unions wreck companies, poor management wrecks companies!!!
I also have friends that work for a great company, no union, but the employer really cares and treats employees well, because the employer does not want the employees to even think if organizing. Employees make union type wages and have union style benefits, and are very happy, without havling to be in a union.
What I'm trying to say is every employer has the ability to take care of its employees, some take great care of their employees, and the union would be ridiculous in those situations, but there are employers who would literally work you to death while they make record profits, those jobs definitely need union protection.

 

Mmmm if you should have been fired 20 times, I would not want you within 100 yards of my business. That's the definition of worthless! I don't care if it was because you used 1 too many squares of toilet paper.