Conceal Carry: Situations you've been in

30 years ago bigger then me or not here I come, At 64 those days are gone. One of my cop pals told me hes going to get me a can of something called clear out its like 10 X pepper spray but I never liked that stuff. Was out looking for a cell ph. but the more I look the more Im lost. Never had one so looking at the cell ph. or 9 MM think im going with what I know works.

 

my dad is 63 and he loves his iphone 4s. he had one with work, and wen he retired he went and get a personal one. he gets online with it and everything he plays sudoku all the time on it.

 

A I phone and me I think not. Smart ass kid was showing me a jitterbug and said all the old folks love them. "They like the big # and they are EZ to use''

 

if i was close i bet i could get you to like it. in a day maybe 2 days. tough dad how to use it. IMHO for a smart phone the iphone is one the the easiest to use. does a lot, but yet not so much you get confused.

 

Just curious... how could it be "stand your ground" when your the one holding the gun and there's witnesses that saw you start the altercation?

 

Stand your ground look up the law at Fla.gov.. you are not a very good at trolling but ill bite.. read this like 5 or 6 times real slow..... The man said he would slap me and started for me.. I now do not have to turn and run as Im now in fear for my life. Im 64--160 lb and not going to get knocked down by a 35 yo 250 to 300lb. punk as long as I have 12 in the clip...(1) He is on video slapping down a lil kid.(2) he said he would slap me around.. (3)He started for me.. Under STAND YOUR GROUND that's all I need in Fla. ..Glad he stopped at one step if his left foot would have moved he was dead when he hit the ground.. Can tell by your post you dont like it I really dont care Its good that you are in Cal And Im in Fla Ill keep it that way if you will... goodby,,, Jim

 

Troll huh? Give me a fucking break Jim. Here in Oregon we have the stand your ground law too and i was just curious about it... that's why i asked. By the way... i've never stepped foot in California.

 

Ok,,sorry on the Cal... Go Ducks

 

Yes you are a bully. Kind oflike sucking one dick makes you gay for life, murder works the same exact way. You can fuck up a whole lot of life time of achievement in one instance and once you pull that trigger you are a murderer for life.

You do not have a clue how SYG laws work. You no longer have the duty to retreat, yes, but your life has to actually be in danger for you to commit to deadly force and get away with it. He would have had to physically have given you life threatening injuries for you to have justifiably committed homicide. Under the old law you would have had to retreat and proven that you tried to retreat even while sustaining life threatening injuries before you can commit to deadly force. Now the victim has no duty to retreat before committing to deadly force. The key is your life still has to truly be in danger. Now who determines that is not you but a jury once you pull the trigger. The problem with this is if this guy walked up to you and smacked you in the face, are you going to shoot him? If he kicked you in the nuts, you going to shoot him? If he stepped toward you and spit on your face are you going to shoot him? If he punches you in the nose and walks away are you going to shoot him? All of these are possibilities and none of them are life threatening. The way you made it sound was if he took another step toward you you were going to shoot him. You would be in jail, especially being the antagonist in this situation. Sure the kid got smacked on the head, honestly I think more urban yutes need this from their fathers. Be happy the kid even has a father to teach him right from wrong. Unless he was closed fist beating the kid to death you had no business butting in. Like I stated earlier, next time keep your gun in your pants and mind your business. If you NEED to get involved be a good witness for the police, not a vigilante. Idiots like you are going to get our new found gun freedoms repealed. Maybe you should carry a pocket knife instead.

 

WTF The only thing I can say is

 

You might get off, then again you might not...
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-stand-ground-shooter-headed-prison-210731482.html

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/06/man-claims-self-defense-in-fatal-shooting-of-neighbor/

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...man-who-killed-neighbor-stood-his-3630968.php

 

FYI. i know in TN most courts will take age and weight in to count some times. jim being as old as he is(no offense jim just saying) but jim being 64 and other guy around 35, jim can’t fight with his hand AS WELL as the other guy. also the other guy having 100+ pounds on him, if jim was to get knocked down he may not be able to get the guy off him as easy as he could if say the guy was weighed less than jim.



also i know some police departments have a protocol so to speak on the same thing, if an officer is say 5’7” 180 and is facing a guy thats 6’5” 300# the officer can’t just take him to the ground like he (or she) could if the bad guy was say the same hight and 50# lighter.

 

Thanks

Thats about the size of it

I never went out the door, opened it & asked the man what was wrong with him.. When he turned and said he would slap me then started for me. I pulled on him. Right or wrong Im glad he did not take that next step. Both our live would have been over as we knew them. His was over & now mine is in the hands of the jury. Good or bad,, End of story.... Jim

 

I am interested in hearing some LEO opinions on this.

 

This is the exact case I was thinking about when I posted my argument. Those guys actually hit him on the back of his head and he shot the neighbor. He got sent to jail because the JURY felt that he was never in any real danger even though he did. Your life has to actually be in danger to enact stand your ground. Like you said, I am glad you did not shoot him because you would definitely have ended up in jail and would have been fodder for the anti-gunners to repeal stand your ground in not just FL but the rest of the country. SYG is not a free pass to confront anyone you want. It just gives the victim of a violent life threatening attack the right to not have to retreat before resorting to deadly force.

For future reference people need to act as they would if they aren't armed, or even more calmly, if they are carrying a gun. Now if you are confronted with a deadly weapon bang away but unless you are getting your ass epically beat or confronted by several urban yutes, you need to talk softly, because you are carrying a big stick.

 

I dunno Jim, I thought about this situation some more and even if you were right, I don't know as if I'd want to leave my future in the hands of 12 people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty. I almost hate to say that but I've been selected for jury duty several times, gone in, they asked a ton of questions and the people who are left over aren't necessarily the people I'd want deciding my fate. Morally, I agree with the action you took but morals don't mean a damn thing in the courtroom. Lets say you actually do go to court, and win. You're still not off scott-free, the legal battle could end up being very expensive and could break someone financially. The prosecuting attorney is going to dig up as much dirt on you as he can get his hands on, your name could end up in the news (to someone younger with a career, this could be bad news I don't know about your current situation). In an instant, there's really no way to think about all the possible outcomes and hind sight is always 20-20 but I think your encounter could have very easily been extremely life changing.

My only hope now is that the father got rattled and will give a second thought to the way he treats his kid.

 

Thanks,,, This post Im 100% with you... Im pissed at myself for never wanting a Cell PH. till now,, But Ill fix that soon... Jim

 

Thats the size of it in a nut shell.... And yes I have both had tears and prayed for that lil boy... Spank the boy on the butt with your hand And tell HIM not to take stuff that is not his... I would smile & look the other way..To scream what the fuck are you doing. then go outside and hit the kid so hard in the head he go's down.... God help me I just cant look the other way. Jim

 

Let me clarify a few things for you with regards to stand your ground (in fl)

-A person has a right to intervene when a forcible felony is taking place. Example: Jim walks into the convenient store and its being robbed by a gunman. Jim pulls, and kills the robber. He is a hero. But that is NOT under the umbrella of 'stand your ground'. That is a lawful gun owner acting as a Good Samaritan and protecting himself- or on this case- another person from being the victim of a forcible felony.

Had you shot someone, you would not have a jury determine whether or not you stood your ground. That is determined by a state attorney who decides whether you should or should not be charged. Then, if charges are filed, your lawyer gets a hearing to request dismissal based on SYG.

You get arrested, get charged, and the judge denies your motion to dismiss- the jury can find you not guilty, on account of self defense- but at that point the SYG get out of jail free card is invalid.

In my opinion- had your situation unfolded, you would not have SYG to lean on. You may not have been arrested, but if you were, you would NOT be protected by SYG.

And where I come from in Florida you wouldn't have even had the sympathy of the cops- we encouraged people to spank their kids. I told at least a dozen parents that they wouldn't be picking their kid up from the police station- or having their kid openly disrespect them- if they laid a hand on them every now and then.

Remember that you're in Florida- it's legal to hit your kids. You're probably lucky things didn't escalate further, as I think that guy would've been seen as the victim and you the aggressor. If I was the responding officer, you'd probably be going for a ride.

Of course, if the guy is beating te ever-loving shit out of the kid, that's not discipline, it's abuse and battery. Whole different story

Just my .02

 

Well I just read over this whole thread. A couple good instances where using your cc weapon may be justified, and some not. I am a gun owner, with multiple guns and a hunter. I respect the right to CC, but I think the need is exaggerated by fear.I do carry a Reminton 870 tactical in my truck, mostly in case I hit a deer or elk. Bad things happen every day in this country, and in some cases a trained individual with CC might be able to stop a bad situation. However I have to wonder about peoples training, mental well-being, situational awareness, and trigger happiness. For instance in the Portland mall shooting yesterday. If I had my Glock with me and heard shots, would I run and try to confront a shooter? Absolutely not. And in many cases I think someone could do more harm than good. I've read to be "proficient" with your weapon, you need to go to the range at least twice a week. I used to do that, but I don't think most CC holders do that. Well I think CC may provide some peace of mind, I think for 99% of gun owners its completely unnecessary. Having pepper spray with you, or a bat in the truck is more intimidating than most people think. Just my two cents.