Conceal Carry: Situations you've been in

Like what was said before - cooler heads prevail. In any situation where tempers flare it's never a good thing to act on that initial emotion ranging from arguing with our spouse to confronting a bully.

Pulling a gun changes the game forever. To me, that act should only occur when the threat of death occurs. I don't necessarily agree with Jim's actions but we can hope the bully-dad thought about his own actions later and made some personal adjustments. I would certainly contemplate a few things if I had a gun pulled on me because of my temper.

That said I have only one story. I was in uniform, in Macedonia, carrying a sidearm. Not concealed carry so maybe the story doesn't belong - but in traffic one day the girl driving our NATO SUV accidentally cut off a guy. He blocked us in downtown Skopje traffic and got out of his car. I got out as well. He raced to her window and started cussing her out - didn't speak any English. I kept my cool and pointed to the distance and calmly said over and over, "Go home". He looked at me and spoke his few English words, "F*ck you American!" and reached for his back pocket. I didn't see a huge bulge when his back was to me before so it was probably a knife he was going for. Still, I didn't wanna get stabbed and it WAS a threatening move so I placed my hand on my pistol and just stared at him. He slowly pulled his empty hand from his pocket back to his front, flipped me off, got in his car and drove away.

 

For the record I hope you did give that dude pause and he thinks twice before he lays a hand on his kid again. I saw a video of a Malaysian guy beating on his step son and I actually vomited. He was kicking, punching, slamming his kid for ten minutes straight. If I had been witness to that I probably would have shot the guy. No child deserves to be abused. So like I said I hope your actions, even though they were wrong, give this dude the fear of god for hitting his kid. Lord knows I wish I could have had someone step in on my behalf for some of the outright stompings my father bestowed upon my brow. Now if I was you I would not frequent that store again. You have urban knuckleheads that know you are armed now and one of them might have a vendetta. Be ever vigilant for the next few months.

 

With all the talk of SYG I figured I'd link this. Stand Your Ground has always been the law in Georgia... The author is a Georgia Attorney and board member of GeorgiaCarry.org

www.examiner.com/article/stand-your-ground-has-always-been-the-law-georgia

 

Seems very complex and simple at the same time.

Simple: Jim saw an injustice taking place. (some asshole taking his anger out on the kid) He said/yelled "Hey what the hell is wrong with you?" (i would have yelled it) The asshole then directs his anger at Jim, someone that has the ability to forcefully defend himself. (justification not withstanding) Jim pulls his piece as an indication of his willingness defend himself. (i would have done the same thing with a few choice words... something like "You blankety blank should stop taking your anger out on your kid because the next person to see you do it might not be as friendly as me" you know something John Wayne would say) The situation deescalates and no one is hurt except for the kid. (i say "hurt" because it remains to be seen if he was "harmed")

Complex: Striking a child in the head is NOT discipline but abuse. I fell on my head enough when i was young to know that it hurts A LOT and if that type of pain had been caused by someone in anger, i wouldn't be the same person i am today. In human history, striking the cranium has never been an acceptable from of corporal punishment.

Regardless of Jim's justification in pulling his weapon, once it was pulled, if the asshole had rushed him or tried to take the weapon from him, or pretty much tried anything other than getting back in his vehicle to leave, Jim would have been obliged to kneecap him at the VERY least. If you have a gun pointed at you terms like 'probable cause' and 'jury' have no business being in your thought process. If you escalate the situation, you are forcing the other person to shoot you and in all probability kill you. And you'd deserve it, regardless of your emotions or what's justified. It's in the same vein as 'not complying with the orders of a police officer'. If the asshole had stuck around and waited for the police, he MAY have been justified in having Jim charged with 'assault with a deadly weapon' and if Jim had shot him, he MAY have been justified in killing the asshole. In both cases guilt would been determined by a jury of his "peers". If the justice system worked in the way it is supposed to Jim would be acquitted in both cases regardless of who had the moral high ground. (I believe that Jim had it.)

That being said, I'm pretty certain that in reality Jim would have been found guilty of something because, as stated by others, I have NO confidence what-so-ever in a modern group of "peers". And Jim, even if you had shot and killed him and been acquitted you would have had to deal with the the fact that you took a kid's father from him, justified or not. That's a weight i don't think i could bear.

It could have just as easily gone bad for Jim if he didn't have his piece. The guy might have grabbed Jim and beat him to death while everyone in the store just watched, and we'd be mourning the loss of a very helpful member of the TW community. I'm glad the situation deescalated without incident, because I would have done pretty much the same thing, Jim.

Good discussion and pretty respectful. Keep it up guys

 

I do respect that Jim stood up for the child. Not many people would have done that.

 

more related info...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/justice/florida-music-shooting/index.html

 

Another case of brass and copper balls. If he never was armed he would never have said shit to those kids I guarantee you. Dude is just a plain old murderer.

 

http://youtu.be/iD52IxplEoM

This should be all over the news but of course it's not

 

After long talk with my lawyer Mon afternoon. And a ret cop Capt.. If I ever find myself in the back of a black & white. Only thing I say is I want to talk to my lawyer , our lil chit chat here is over...

Stand by ,, I might need you for jury duty down the road

Thanks the lil boy was what it was all about... I do really hope that dad has roller what happened around in his head like I have

 

Surprise surprise, when one of these sick fucks gets confronted by an armed citizen, he blows his head off. This is a normal reaction and why these sick fucks don't choose police stations and rifle ranges to carry out their rampages.