2005 tacoma 2nd gen terminal frame rot rust cancer

you posted a worthless three line generalization about salt and toyota much of which was unsubstantiated opinion, glib and adds nothing to the thread.

you can read all the NHTSA submitted complaints, enjoy:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/p...&model=TACOMA&component_id=0&PrintVersion=YES

 

Let's get something straight: What I posted about Toyota was ALL unsubstantiated opinion.

The generalization about salt was a simplification of relatively basic chemistry.

414 results. Half or more of which have nothing to do with corrosion, if skimming the first couple pages is any indication.

Even being generous, assuming all 414 were corrosion issues, 414 out of the roughly 1 million 2gen tacomas sold is still well within any realistic statistical expectancy of defects. That boils down to about 4 bogus frames per 10,000 trucks that roll off the line. And I don't buy for a second that ToMoCo/DANA are doing THAT well. The number is probably higher.

Again, I need some data that holds up to critical thinking. Haven't seen any yet.


As for you not caring for my contributions to the thread: I'm sorry. Want a hug?

 

I want a hug

 

Fine. You drivin' down here or meet halfway? If we meet halfway I'm only giving you half a hug.

 

Make : TOYOTA Model : TACOMA Year : 2006 Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION Crash : Yes Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0 ODI ID Number : 10312362 Number of Deaths: 0 Date Complaint Filed: February 20, 2010 Date of Incident: October 20, 2009 VIN : 5TELU42N46Z...
Summary:
I WAS HAVE ACCIDENT IN OCT 2009 ,I WAS DRIVE MY 2006 TOYOTA TACOMA WHEN MY GAS PEDAL WAS STUCK IN THE CARPET. *TR


Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL


Sorry but was looking at some of these http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/p...&model=TACOMA&component_id=0&PrintVersion=YES

and this one caught my eye. Look at the accident and date filed. Yeah bs probably. Sorry for adding some useless crap to your truck frame problem.

 

but the world ends at midnight

 

You'd better hurry then.

 

Overall the entire situation is bad for the OP, dealer and Toyota.

OP, I understand your desire to fight and it is noble. I won't bash you for not getting dirty to inspect this yourself, you went to a trusted source for this to be accomplished.

Maybe it should have been found, maybe it had not shown up but was hidden from visual inspection until recently.

It seems the dealership is trying to do it's best for you.

If the truck is nice, excepting the frame, and I know this goes against making Toyota accountable, but why not see if you can work with the dealership to get a new frame at cost, and a discount on the frame swap labor.

I know it is money out of pocket, but may in the end provide the best compromise. Obviously this will toss salt in wounds if Toyota has a frame replacement program. This is where good documentation and lawyer stuff may be worthwhile. As in to go after Toyota for the money you spent.

The entire situation is crap, there is no perfect answer for each participant that is mutual to the others. How much do you like the truck?

Not bashing you. And honestly, having started corrosion spraying my own 2010, I know I need to get under my father inlaws Tundra from the same era as your truck and start spraying his.

Best of luck with it.

The real winner in all of this will be the aftermarket company that sells a quality frame with a reasonable swap over cost and solid warranty on the work. And with all the issues with various models, it could be very profitable yet consumer effective.

Someone setup to do this would be very efficient and could turn the truck in a few days. Done right, they could even have trucks shipped in and out from all over. It would even be very possible to get some very nice trucks with low miles and flip them with new aftermarket frames. It could easily make the money spent vs value be worthwhile.

PK

 

Situation is bad for all of us unless Toyota steps in with something. It's crazy that they can not paint frame correctly. Let's hope at least they replace some frames since it looks frames had changed in 2008

 

Correct me if I am wrong but your frame was replaced not because of rot but because of faulty welds, correct? The OP's frame isn't the same set of circumstances, however, it would be GREAT if he had your service manager as his own! That's a dealership I'd stick with for life, well, life of that Svc Mgr anyway.

All of these issues with Toyota frames.... all these years of driving Toyotas.... I have to admit I'm really concerned if ToMoCo doesn't offer some help with the Gen II as they did with the Gen I. Almost makes me want to save up and buy a frame as a spare because I really love this truck and would hate to have it fail like the OP's without recourse or a backup plan.

Hoping you get this amicably resolved!

 

I'm currently driving a 17 year old Ford Explorer that has been in the family it's entire life (my Tacoma is fubar). Started as my sisters SUV and is now my mom's craft getter. Neither of them have ever maintained the underside of the truck. Truck never received any sort of after market undercoating. It has been in the salt belt it's entire life, made at least 40 trips to VT for skiing, and been to Canada at least 5 times in winter. OP's frame is in way worse shape and his truck is 12 years newer.

Fact is Toyota's rust out. It's been that way as long as I can remember and it continues to remain the same. Thin gauge recycled steel will always corrode quicker as apposed to thicker more pure steel.

Another case... I also had a Ford Explorer for 10 years and 200,000 miles. I never once needed to paint the frame due to rust. My Tacoma on the other hand has received touch ups from year one due to poor undercoating. I actually had to remove my steel tube steps on my Tacoma and repaint them on year 1. My Ford had steel tube steps that were problem free for a decade.

 

$35 off a hertz weekly rental with AAA. maybe there's a silver lining here somewhere.

am scouring the tri-state area for a back up vehicle that fits our needs and budget. not going so well there. missed out on a sweet nissan frontier by one day.

the taco was our only vehicle.

faulty welds? shit. there goes that hope.

 

It's not paint, its a dipping process that coats the entire frame. And it is Toyota's supplier of frames..not Toyota directly.

If this ends up being another epidemic I think Toyota will do the same as they did before..probably more replacing frames this time though. However just like last time it will be hell for those first individuals to get anything done quickly..

I was under my 08 Taco recently looking around..I have not done anything to the frame (por, film or whatever) The frame was super clean, barely any surface rust at all.. My truck has 95k on the clock, and I live in Iowa (salt roads) and I rarely wash it in the winter.

I have gotten to know the body shop manager at Toyota and he was telling me that vehicles that get driven occasionally are actually worse off than those that are driven daily in the salty conditions. He said it has something do with the car moving and getting air flowing all through it and drying out. A vehicle that is driven in salty conditions, then sits for a couple days/week is going to be more affected.

ps, they are still replacing frames here on 2001-2004 taco's. I saw one in pieces in the Toyota shop a month ago.

 

I continue to watch the situation. Just because I'm not convinced now doesn't mean I can't be in the future as things progress.

If there continues to be a frame problem on toys with similar outcomes as the first gen, I wonder what that means for DANA ? They make plenty of ford, fiatsler, gm frames...what are they doing differently there?

 

Bad painted frame is Toyota's fault. If it was issue with frame mfg. Than only US made frames woul have problems. The fact is 4runners and newer LC's have the same issues and they are made in Japan. Toyota changed process so frames are no longer dipped in paint. Frames are spray painted (electrostaticly ) and heated. Coating on frame is super thin, but that allows Toyota to get frames on demand. Which cuts their cost. It's a failure of painting process that is dictated by Toyota.

 

Rich's frame also has the same hole. He was the first person on the EC to get a DC OR if my memory serves me right.

Nothing for Dana I would expect as they only produce what Toyota specifies. Unless there not giving Toyota what was specified by Toyota.

My though to a T.

Either way to OP and anyone else having the same issues fight the good fight and blaze the trail so when everyone else with newer trucks has the same issues the recall will already be available without us needing to spend thousands of our own money and tons of time fighting Toyota.

 

My buddy, a Mechanic, many dealerships including 2 years at Toyota insists Krown is the best undercoating. Ziebart dries out over time.

 

To the OP, the section of frame you need is available separately from Toyota. Retail is $250. You may be better off to have a quality welding shop cut out both the left and right sections, then weld in new oem parts.

Avoid the paperwork from a dealer and the resale will be better. Frame is not bent, just repaired.

Far less than a new frame plus labor. Plus you could be up and driving in short time.

PK

 

dude. that is a Christmas present. Do you have a part number or reference for the frame piece?

Also: you're saying to avoid having the dealer do it in order to prevent something like a carfax or toyota owner record of the repair which might impact resale? Just trying to clarify what you meant.

I turn the loaner in tomorrow. Meeting with the higher ups at the dealership is yet to be scheduled.

I am about to make contact with the State Attorney General's office (as soon as they are open again).

 

I'm not so sure. Toyota has not repaired anything yet. Toyota would be fools to put in writing the truck is not fir to be driven.

Overall they should hook the guy up with repair parts and thank him for being kind so far.

If Toyota is stepping in for a frame and labor then that's fine, run it through Toyota.

Honestly as bad as the rust is, from the photos there seems to be a lot of frame left and replacing the sections should net a good repair.

PK