60D. Which package is better?

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product...spx?path=f328e9e17d87b708be6d82e4d7d5fedben02



http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...spx?path=7760bd60ee0767db81f92a3e3112588een02

Looking at getting a 60D. The only thing I'm iffy on is which package is better. Asking for yalls professional help.

What do I shoot? Fast moving small children and landscapes.

 

For me I would get the one from Best Buy. It's kind of hard to decide. I like the lens that comes with the Futureshop better but I've never needed an extra battery with my 60D.

 

My problem with the best buy one is that you don't get a wide angle lens. 50 is the shortest you get. I would much rather buy the futureshop one, it has a much better all around lens.

 

That's the part that gave me problems I do like the len better on the Futureshop deal. But I could get by with the other two and save for a good wide angle later. Never can have too many lenses IMO.

 

So get the Futureshop one sell the battery and put the extra $250 towards another decent lens hey?

That's kinda what I was thinking originally. Buy I wanted a few more opinions on the situation.

 

I see you furiously typing away krap...

 

yes, that is what I would do. The 18-135 will be a good starter lens so you can figure out what you really want for a lens. The other kit won't be very good for landscapes. I have the 18-135 and i'm pretty happy with it.

 

It is done then...

 

exactly, I can take 1000+ pics before I need to charge the battery.

 

Neither. Those kit lenses aren't worth the money, though I guess they do get you to shooting if you don't have anything else. That 50/1.8 is a decent value, but is not the most robust of lenses.

Buy the body and build your lens collection over time, concentrating on quality gear. It gets expensive, but if you're investing in a DSLR, you really should get quality lenses to go with it. Otherwise, just get one of those higher-end superzoom point and shoots and call it a day.

I'm not a pro, but I did spend more money than I should have relearning the "buy once, cry once" lesson in regards to photography.

 

So you're saying this is a better route...

 

Always check B&H, though:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=canon+60D&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

Your lens will the most important thing.

 

personally, i would opt for the cheaper costing package with the extra battery... with 2 batteries, you can transition into a vertical grip to save your wrist future discomfort...

i have been on gigs where a guy was using single battery setup and ran out of battery at the most critical times... if doing any recreational shooting, you can stretch that one battery out, but if you ever decide to step up into anything other than casual or enthusiastic hobbyist, you will find the second battery and vertical grip to be more of an asset than the kit lens...

as for glass, im partial to L lenses as i have burned up a number of kit lenses trying to save a buck...

so from a casual or hobbyist perspective, the higher costing package with the lenses would be the best deal...

from a professional perspective, the basic kit with the extra battery would be the best deal as you will want to consider stepping up in lens and adding a vertical grip to it for $149...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/734854-REG/Canon_4740B001_BG_E9_Battery_Grip_for.html

 

plus, another option to consider is to buy it top notch and finance...

until 12/31, ebay with PayPal is doing a BillMeLater 18 month interest free promo on purchases over $800 or $900...

you could build up a 60D, with battery grip, and 24-105 4L lens for about $2,000...

with the finance, you would end up paying a lil over $100 a month, and on good months, you could easily make extra payments to bring the total down even more...

i have purchased a number of high ticket items that way over the last 5 years without any problems...

the key is to buy from Adorama on ebay as they are more established in NYC than the rest of the ebay stores...

or do the 6 month interest free via paypal/BillMeLater on B&H...

 

Going to see if Bestbuy will price match for online prices.

http://www.vistek.ca/store/ProPhotoCanon/251861/canon-eos-60d-body.aspx

 

My two cents:

Bodies become obsolete. A good lens will work on any body and maintains resale value better. The 60D is an excellent higher-end consumer dSLR. It all depends on what your expectations are.

50mm is a common lens for portrait photography. That's an okay long lens. It's less than ideal for what most people would consider standard landscape photography.

When it comes to lens length, don't forget to consider that unless you're looking at a full-frame lens (of which the 60D is not) you're actually getting 1.6x the focal length. This is because of the sensor size of the camera. Lens focal lengths are given for 35mm equivalents--the diagonal length of traditional film, or full frame in the digital world. So, the 18mm lens is actually more like 29mm. I know this is confusing...but it's definitely worth understanding when managing expectations for what you see through the viewfinder versus what your camera actually captures.

I find dpreview.com to be an excellent resource with http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9566705626/buying-a-digital-slr a great starting point to address some of the concepts mentioned in this thread. There are also very in depth reviews of almost every dSLR body and lens on the market.

There are lots of good reasons to carry a spare battery. Shooting video or time lapse is one. Shooting in cold temperatures is another. Multi-day trips away from power sources might be another. The spare likely will not be the make-or-break factor in buying a kit but I certainly find mine comes in handy often enough.

Also curious to know why you're limiting yourself to Best Buy and Future Shop? I find local small camera shops to be far more knowledgeable and interested in spending time with customers. I also find that developing a relationship at a shop leads to confidence in future purchases. Most good shops have also faced the reality that they must compete with big box prices to stay in business and are competitive price-wise.

 

The 18 is a true 18 on that 18-135 because the lens is designed for the crop sensor (ef-s).

 

Lens focal lengths are standard, crop sensor, full frame, EF, EF-S or otherwise.

So if you have a 100mm lens, it will give you a certain field of view on a 35mm SLR (or full frame digital). If you use that same lens on a 'crop body', the focal length is still 100mm....but the outsides of the image circle (projected by the lens into the camera) will not be recorded by the camera's sensor (because it's smaller). So you end up with an image that covers a smaller field of view.

It doesn't matter if the lens is EF or EF-S....50mm will give you the same FOV (on the same camera).

The only reason why the crop factor exists, is because the 'standard' for so long was 35mm film. So when they came out with cameras of the same size & format, but with smaller sensors...they wanted to let people know that the FOV would be different that what they were used to with 35mm film.

 

wat.

crop factor is 1.5/6 for canons. 100mm will be 100mm on FF, but will be much longer on a crop sensor body since the the outer circle will be "cropped" out, yielding roughly 150/160mm focal length.

given a particular lens, the DOF will different on a FF vs. a crop sensor body. on a 50mm 1.4, the FF will have a much thinner DOF vs a crop body sensor.

but you can believe what you want to believe.

 

I was limiting myself to those two because if the package deals. However as others have said, save my sheckles and get a decent lens instead of the lower quality package lenses.

Again I'm just getting into dslrs right now but I've been using my canon AE-1 program and AT-1 for the past 5+ years now. I didn't want to drop like 1500-2000 on a 5d. I won't need it that badly, but I didn't want an Eos rebel either. Little plasticy for me. Had I gone cheaper I would have looked at Nikon. Their lower range stuff seems better quality. However fr what I read (and I could have interpreted it wrong) the lenses with Nikon are stabilized, not the body. Making them much more expensive.