Can't stop in snow

This is from Edmunds.com, it touches on the subject but I've seen it broken down way better. Still looking.

1. Give yourself a brake. Learn how to get maximum efficiency from your brakes before an emergency. It's easy to properly use antilock brakes: Stomp, stay and steer. Stomp on the pedal as if you were trying to snap it off. Stay hard on the pedal. Steer around the obstacle. (A warning: A little bit of steering goes a very long way in an emergency. See Tip 8.) If you drive on icy roads or roads that are covered with snow, modify your ABS technique: After you "Stomp" and the ABS begins cycling — you will feel pulses in the pedal or hear the system working — ease up slightly on the pedal until the pulsing happens only once a second.
   
   For vehicles without ABS, you'll have to rely on the old-fashioned system: You. For non-ABS on a mixed-surface road, push the brake pedal hard until the wheels stop rolling, then immediately release the brake enough to allow the wheels to begin turning again. Repeat this sequence rapidly. This is not the same as "pumping the brake." Your goal is to have the tires producing maximum grip regardless of whether the surface is snow, ice or damp pavement. Use the tips in "How To Survive the Top 10 Driving Emergencies" to practice before the emergency.

 

That doesn't seem to be the case from my experience but would be nice if it was

 

I'm too sure how that would work in conjunction with Brake Assist.

Frank

 

From the National Safety Council website, NSC.org:

This is under the don't list for normal driving conditions.

"...pump the brakes. In four-wheel ABS-equipped vehicles, pumping the brake turns the system on and off. ABS pumps the brakes for you automatically, at a much faster rate, and allows better steering control."

I'm pretty sure if you hit the brakes hard to engage ABS and then back off and re-apply to threshold you should reduce the effectiveness of ABS. Still looking for that great write up, oh well.

 

If you let off the brake after applying "panic" pressure brake assist turns off unless you panic brake again.

 

I wonder if the "over sensitive" ABS we are reporting in our Tacoma's on snow/ice is really the panic brake assist and the ABS is quite normal?

 

Hmm I didn't know about this one:

6) Smart Stop Technology - SST

Smart Stop Technology provides an added layer of confidence that can help the driver stop the vehicle, even if the accelerator pedal is fully depressed under certain conditions. Smart Stop Technology will engage when all 3 of the following conditions happen simultaneously: (1) The throttle is more than one-third open beyond the idle position. (2) The vehicle is moving faster than 5mph, and... (3) The brakes are firmly applied for longer than a half second. When Smart Stop Technology is engaged, engine output is cut to the idle position, reducing the load on the brakes. The driver can then cancel activation of Smart Stop Technology by taking his or her foot off the brake pedal.

Taken from this:

http://www.toyotaofsanford.com/toyota-star-safety-system.htm

 

ABS will increase stopping distance.

Please point to where I agreed that ABS Stops you quicker on snow.

 

I was refering to this post however in rereading your post , I could have misunderstood your comment

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6228519

 

Yes. You misunderstood.

 

Ah , my apologies .

So you are not agreeing with his " ABS stops me faster on snow " statement , only that in his opinion his ABS works as it should even though we both know that ABS doesn't work that way

 

This was part of the accelerator recall. Go out and stomp on it in the right order and the motor goes back to idle, let off the brake and it spins back up.

 

Just finished switching over my abs/vsc off Landphil's method. Thanks to Oz-T and Sandman.

 

That was just absolutely horrid to watch.

 

Highly HIGHLY agreed. There are too many hotshot drivers out there nowadays who seem to think that they can do anything, anywhere with anyone and they will be invincible. Those kind of people need to watch this kind of video to get a rude awakening before something happens to them and others around them.

 

I used his post to highlight the fact that the opinions are all over the map with respect to if it is too sensitive or not.

I'm just glad I don't have to deal with the fuckin snow and ice except in the rare times when we get 2 or 3 inches...

 

Maybe we should have a competition. Who thinks they can stop faster on this with or without ABS? Let's say from 15 MPH right where the car is in the background.

 

I don't like our ABS in the snow/ice. I have had a few occasions where it was slushy wet snow, and if my ABS didn't kick in like it did, I would of stopped a few feet shorter every time, it wasn't that slick.

 

Thats why proving that traction control had put you in the ditch is almost impossible. With out detailed log from vehicle and multiple camera's. But if you break down second by second video. You can kind of figure out what is going on. This video is probably the best proof that Traction control is dangerous in winter driving.

0:16 - all normal except guy moves to left and front left tire drives o nthe snow patch, that starts putting drag on left front tire trying to spin truck to the left.

0:17 - guy ends up with both left tires on snow, at the same time truck is starting to climb. So now front left is generating drag, truck is climbing and rear left tire on the snow starts losing traction. (been there done that). Once rear tire spins, traction control cuts power, and applys brake to left rear.

0:18 - power cut (for 5 seconds at least) + left tire braking send surge to right tire which loses traction, so now both rear tires have no traction. Since left tire is dragging on the snow, rear end swings to the left, guy tries to turn to right to get off the snow, Bad move!

0:19 - traction control kicks in and does what was design to do. Make truck go where wheels pointing to. So right side brakes gets applied and truck swerves into the right, slamming into the box truck

0:20 - both box truck and Nissan are swinging their tails

0:21 - Nissan driver turns wheel to the left to get away from box truck. Bad move again. traction control hammers the brakes on left side which now catches snow. Sending Nissan sideways.

0:22 - Nissan driver counters to the right but at this point Nissan is going sideways and still there is no power to the wheels No way to avoid 18 wheeler.

0:23 - boom. In the meantime box truck with no traction control recovers from slide and goes on its merry way.

Nissan driver did everything right, what he did not anticipated was traction control.
If he knew Traction control is junk, he would have kept steering wheel to the right and allow traction control to ditch him.