Can't stop in snow

Holding the steering wheel do the right would have done nothing you dunce , that's where the box van was .

There is no way you can prove or disprove what part traction control did or did not have in this accident .

 

Holding wheel to the right would keep truck from going to opposing line. Either it would have hang on to box truck or more likely finally go behind box truck to the ditch. Either way it would have been better then head on collision.
Just because there is no easy way to prove something it does not mean it is not true.
Nissan's use pretty much the same traction system and if you visit their forums they complain about the same things.
If his truck had no traction system, right at the beginning when his left rear tire slipped he would have simply slowed down. (one tire fire). Traction control turn that into crash.

 

Slow down ?

If the driver's side drive tire lost traction and the passenger side drive tire had traction , the Nissan would have veered left , just as it does in the video

beyond that point there is no way to know what caused what to happen .

How do you not know that the driver didn't panic and over correct to the right ?

Once they contacted the cube van , they were all just passengers

 

Unless you were in the truck with him I don't see how you can say or know anything about what happened. Actually, even if you were in the truck unless you were driving I'm still not sure you'd know what happened.

Do you honestly think that a car manufacturer would put a system in a vehicle if it made that vehicle LESS safe for a majority of the conditions? ABS and/or traction control won't help everytime everywhere but for most conditions it is better than not having it. You have to realize that sometimes the conditions are so bad that nothing will help no matter what, it all comes down to the traction available. That's why you see videos of people sliding sideways down a hill coated in ice, nothing other than studded tires or chains would help in that situation.

 

Respectfully disagree. I had a 2000 Ford Focus with only ABS braking. A couple times I hit snow/slush with one side of the car (2 left wheels or 2 right wheels) - both times the drag caused that car to do a complete 180 in the direction of the drag in the middle of the road.

Through my own stupid, aggressive driving the Toyota traction control has saved my arse in my Tacoma. However, Toyota ABS braking put my life in danger - it simply reduces ALL braking. In every other ABS vehicle I have owned the ABS reduces breaking only on the wheel(s) slipping.

All must remember our trucks are heavy vehicles. We can take off great in the snow but stopping is alot harder than a smaller, lighter vehicle would be. Couple that with a questionable ABS system and you need to be prepared in the slick stuff way in advance for expected or emergency stops.

Final note: I have buddies with Chevy/GMC trucks and they have the same issues and successes mentioned.

 

Stupidity tends to eliminate its self. No need to keep the gene pool tainted with idiocy.

 

And what if the driver was getting road head and blew his wad right at that point? Then nothing you said means anything.

Or they could have had a stroke?

 

Oz-T
Open diff - try it, put your truck on ice in 2wd mode. Turn traction controls off and give it gas. one wheel will spin other will give you no power. You will have traction on other wheel but no power to move truck and defintely not enough power to rotate truck.
Very first swing is rear going to the left and truck plowing to the right. It did that with left side on snow. The only thing does that with so much force is traction control which will brake one side of the vehicle.

kingston73
Car companies put things that works for most common driving. Snow and Ice is not common. And its the only condition that can fool traction system. look at our Forum and find people who had weird accidents.
Look at Nissan forum and look at their complains. They have the same weird spin outs, the same "My power was cut when slipped, I got left high and dry on middle of the road"
Traction control seems to work wonders but not in winter conditions. So 90% of the time you good, but 10% is when gets flat out dangerous.

kenobe
Totally Understand. And what you saying is possibility except, if that was the case, he would have spin to around the left front tire, right at the beginning when he went on slush snow. The fact is he went opposite.

 

Doesn't the Nissan have LSD ?

 

Haha. Yet again agreed. It appears that idiocy is all around us though my friend.

 

Someone lock this fucking thread already

 

Yep, no need to go on. In my experience, most of the time people just need to slow down or in cases where they were slow and still slipping, they should have snow/better tires or chains/cable. Don't chance it.

 

Or at least change the title to 'Official bitch about ABS and ABS "laws" thread'

 

welp I reported my post so we shall see if the powazzzz see it the same as us.