icon CDC coilovers.

Yes we are working on the full release to come out in the next week or two. They are also working on creating the dyno sheet as requested in a understandable view. I am waiting on engineering to provide it to me, then I will get it posted.

 

Next step.....remote adjustability. Put the knobs IN the vehicle. Now that would be sick.

 

That would be awesome, but I am afraid the price tag would likely be out of range in general. Never know though!!

 

It's a much bigger can of worms in this caliber shock....wish it was that easy.

 

ICONRep, with all due respect, for any of us that are TRULY interested in viewing dyno sheets, I'm not concerned about them being in and "understandable view".

Shock dyno sheets are not difficult to read IF you know what you're reading and if you don't, well, then it won't matter what "understandable view" you put them in. It will just be a bunch of lines and numbers on a piece of paper.

These are take apart shocks so there really is NOTHING secretive or proprietary about them as anyone with the right equipment and access to a shock dyno, can/could know everything about them in less than an hour.

Shocks and everything about them, among racers, are VERY secretive and is highly guarded information. But, racers aren't selling their shocks to the public because they know once they do, their secrets will no longer be a secret.

Again, with all due respect, I'm quite certain ICON's shock valving is relatively basic. I'm guessing ICON, as well as most of the others, are using either Linear/Digressive or Digressive/Digressive pistons.

I'm guessing they use either the force vs velocity graph or quadrant style graph. Force vs velocity is probably the most popular and easiest to help people understand but the quadrant graph gives you a lot more information.

This should be easy stuff, so get a print out and post it then let us worry about how understandable it is.

 

Agreed. You can only print what your given and I have NO issue with ICONRep at all.

To your point, shocks at this level, that being consumer level, are pretty basic and straight forward. They have to be because they have to try and cover a very broad range. Nothing about these shocks are etched in stone. They find that a different valve stack, piston, preload on the stack, etc. etc. works better, these things can all be changed and revalved.

Only real reason I want to even see their dyno sheet is that I'm curious what their numbers are.

 

"Shocks and everything about them, among racers, are VERY secretive and is highly guarded information. But, racers aren't selling their shocks to the public because they know once they do, their secrets will no longer be a secret."

Maybe they feel this way about their shocks and want to protect what info they let out!

I do agree it would be great to see results!

 

Maybe you missed this part earlier but like I said before they sell shocks to the public and if anyone thought what they had was "special" their competitors could/would buy their shocks, dyno them then take them apart and know everything they ever wanted to know. Really, it would be that easy.

 

Guys you are going the wrong direction w/ this......There is nothing secret we are worried about and or anyone finding out about anything. I am the Sales and Marketing Manager and do not run the shock dyno nor build shocks. We have very qualified people that do this, and I have the request in to get this information. Unfortunately we have a lot going on, and your going to have to be patient for me. They will get it to me as soon as they can, and I promise I will bring it strait to you. Keep in mind the graphing is useless if there is nothing to compare it to, so I have asked they show our standard valving vs. the CDC valve installed and the different levels of tuning adjustment it offers.

As far as the piston design..... off road race shocks use a Linear / Linear design and ICON uses a Linear / Digressive design in our V.S. Series line of shocks

I appreciate your understanding and know I am on here to help educate you, along with answer questions you have. Involvement with the consumer is what drives this brand and we want you to know we truly listen and appreciate any and all your feedback.

Brad

 

And I would imagine they use a linear/digressive because the digressive side will make the ride better.

 

DoorDing, yes, in circle track racing, shocks, are everything and are VERY critical.

Most everyone runs, within reason, the same or similar springs and bar but the shock packages will vary greatly!!!

Since circle track racing is on a closed course, shocks are used to manipulate and control sooooooo many aspects of a race car.

I'm sure off road racing shocks are very important too but I doubt they have the need for extreme rebound like circle track shocks. Just like circle track guys don't use nearly the amount of compression off road racers use.

Also, the slow speed numbers, 0-6in. per. sec., are far more important in circle track racing whereas the off road racing shock techs are more interested in, and I'm just guessing here, 15in. per sec. #'s.

 

One good feature about being digressive on the rebound side is the low speed control which comes into play during street driving much of the time.

 

That's because you can valve it so the shock has a lot of "nose" to control the slow speed but the #'s don't ramp up as shaft speed increases.

 

No worries.....I'm going to make sure you get what you want to know!

I know nothing about how theirs works, from what I am told ours has a broader range of adjustment though. Another thing is how we set it up......we set our standard valving for a said shock, that most are happy with, at number 3 or 4 leaving you adjustment in both directions. Pretty sure we are the only ones taking that approach.

 

ICONRep, if that's how ICON is doing it that is the best way. On and externally adjustable shock you always want the main use of your range in the middle adjustments as most will never use the first and or last "click" or "sweep" or whatever you wish to call it.

Also, do you by chance know how much shock travel you lose with your IFP shocks vs emulsion shocks. I doubt it's very much but there has to be some loss.

 

Actually no...what I mentioned was feed back from some customers that have had their hands on shocks with the CDC for a few months now. The specific relation is 2.0 (Fox) vs 2.5 (ours) and was on a Jeep if that helps. We do have 10 adjustments vs they have 8 on that 2.0 version.

 

Is this video or breakdown now available? Also wouldn't mind seeing a professional written review(s).

 

We have not put out the formal release, but are preparing that now and some type of video will be apart of this.

As far as a professional write up we do not have control of when something like that will happen, but are working with the guys from Overland Journal on a project that includes the CDC upgrade. We will def keep you in the loop as soon as we see something.....appreciate your interest.

 

Sweet.....mine are already getting re-built with this option (in the future)! Might as well right?

 

Why is this taking so long? Call your shock tech on his ext. have him e-send you the appropriate dyno graph and post it. I'm sure they've run these things MANY times and have lots of saved files they could send you to post.

Seriously, this is something that should only take 5 minutes from the time you pick up the phone and call the shock dept. ext. and post it here.

Don't be concerned about making the "numbers" look perfect because they NEVER do. Any dyno sheet that looks to good to be true, always is.