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To Own A Gun In Canada

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by TheMaster, Feb 9, 2013.

  1. Feb 9, 2013 at 4:24 PM
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    There are still limitations that make the AR... at least the AR15, impractical for hunting.

    In many states, depending on the game sought, magazine capacity is restricted to 5 rounds, and there are also caliber restrictions.
    5.56 is still only a .22 caliber class.

    So on the one hand, more than 5 rounds is "non sporting", and calibers smaller than .24 may be considered "not humane"

    Now the AR10 pattern, ya... that's a bit more practical, but again, the mag capacity limitations still come into play, and seriously, for hunting, if I'm going out with a .30 cal, rather than spending $2k+ on an AR10, I'm going to be looking closer to $700+ bolt action in .308 or .30-06. Better accuracy, better reliability, and silent chambering.
    There is a reason snipers use bolt action.

    Semi autos are great for sport shooting and a lot of fun.
     
  2. Feb 9, 2013 at 4:32 PM
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    Nope... Rimfire is not unrestricted in California.

    Tube-fed lever action are unrestricted.
    Tube-fed .22lr (specifically that caliber, not .17, not .22short, not .22mag) are unrestricted.

    Any magazine or belt-fed design of any caliber is limited to 10 rounds*


    * The possession or use of high capacity magazines is not illegal, we simply can not legally acquire them or assemble parts to make a new one.
    Fixed-magazine centerfire guns that hold more than 10 rounds fall under an assault weapon law that is separate from the HC magazine law.
     
  3. Feb 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM
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    I agree that training should be more promoted, but placing a legal requirement for it is pushing Constitutionality unless it is provided at no cost.

    Hell... the government subsidizes more expensive and less logical things, there is no reason that it can't subsidize firearms safety training.
     
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    Agreed.

    Many of the things itemized are already picked up in the NICS background check.
    Some of the other requirements are extremely invasive for no other reason than making the job of the researcher easier. Many of these are quite opposite to due process.


    One reason that I do not yet have a concealed carry permit is because my county requires 5 references, and they conduct a neighborhood and employment check.

    The 5 references are not a problem.
    Neighborhood check? "Oh, we are discreet"
    How discreet is a deputy asking questions about me?
    And, my neighbors are part of the reason that I want a concealed carry permit. There are 3 people in my condo complex that know I own guns, and I want to keep it that way. My next-door neighbor is a convicted felon.
    Employment check? My boss is not a problem, but his supervisor, who happens to be the Director of Public Works, is not quite so "friendly".


    But... As of Monday, I will become a material witness in a murder trial. My situation may change to the point that I'll overlook the invasions and apply anyways.
     
  5. Feb 9, 2013 at 4:47 PM
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    Iowa: have money, go to gun show, buy.
     
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    That's it for private party sales (curious how these are regulated in Canada), but if you are buying new from a dealer, you are still completing a 4473 and processed through the federal background check system.
    That check covers many of the aspects of the Canadian requirements.

    Don't forget the Lautenberg Amendment.... ANY domestic violence conviction is a lifetime prohibition on the federal level. A lot of guys got fucked when that passed, either because they didn't think a misdemeanor DV was worth spending the money to defend and just plead guilty, or plea-bargained a felony charge down to the misdo.
    Instantly, that became a prohibiting conviction for life.
    A lot of police officers lost their jobs because they became prohibited from being in possession of a firearm.
    Even state procedures to expunge older convictions does not restore gun rights from a DV conviction.
     
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    I think this is the biggest problem. Our murder rate is higher than canada's overall, not just in the homicide using firearms category...
     
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    Our population density is also significantly higher.

    Pack the entire population of Canada into New Zealand and you have Los Angeles.

    Like putting two critters in a jar and and shaking it up... they're going to fight.
     
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    Didn't think of it that way... Thats a good point
     
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    seems like a good reason to move to 'Merica

    I don't think that that would work in the US (if it was implemented now), as there are too many guns privately owned. It is just too much, I get the background checks, but that is about it.

    I also wonder where inherited guns come into all this...
     
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    that is genious...I'm gonna have to remember that for whenever I debate people about gun control....
     
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    I believe there has been one homicide in Greater Vancouver so far this year
     
  14. Feb 9, 2013 at 5:12 PM
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    No thanks
     
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    Rich, a AR is a good multi-use platform, I can shoot coyotes with a 223 upper one day and go hunt deer with a 7.62x39 or 300 blackout, or 6.8 spc the next.
    Or hunt big game within 100 yds with 458 socom.
     
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    If Metro Vancouver is included in Greater Vancouver, then no
     
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    Got a link ?

    Edit : my bad , I incorrectly said Greater Vancouver
     
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    And yet Chicago, as well as Illinois, have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country.
     
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    In California, yes... but in many other states, there is no practical hunting use for the 5.56 AR pattern.
     
  20. Feb 9, 2013 at 5:23 PM
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    TS should probably mention 95% of the steps he listed are all included on one form that basically took 20 mins to complete. firearm safety was the most time consuming step and is something any responsible gun owner should have anyway.
    edit: i didn't have to supply a criminal record check as was included in the steps either. you simply have to supply your personal info and past the the RCMP i would presume runs your information and determines that information themselves
     

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