Wrangler Diesel deposit(Taco for sale)

Wow, you got a massively bad one I guess. Must have been built the morning after when everybody on the assembly line came from the same late night drunken party.

We have the same exact truck, and mine has been fine so far with 14k miles on it.

Three clutches with 6700 miles? Really?

 

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Diesel is the engine of choice in Europe, you think they would accept high maintenance costs over paying for petrol (gas)? No. In Canada the average price for Gas is approx $5.50/gallon. Americans complain when it gets to the $3.60 mark. You have no idea what it's like to fill $100 tanks and get 20 MPG. Diesel is superior. The old arguements of them being noisy, dirty and expensive to own are no longer. VW has been selling diesels successfully for years, too bad not in a truck.
A change in mindset is all that will sway this market, and when it does, everyone will follow suit. Dodge seems to be the first to lead the way. About time someone did. Shame on Toyota for not putting an engine they already produce overseas in a truck that could benefit greatly from it.

 

A change in mindset it NOT all it would take to sway the market. Diesels in the mid-sized category have larger obstacles put in their way. You can thank agencies such as the EPA for that... They are their own worst enemy at times.

 

Wow. You should sell it for sure. However, becareful what you wish for. I was you in a jeep forum not so long ago.

I went from an 08 JK to the Tacoma that I now drive. My rant on the Jeep was way worse than your Tacoma rant lol.

Squeeking cluth pedal, bent outter "C's" in the front axle. I replaced one u-joint and one axle shaft in the dana 30 due to breakage. It was a nightmare keeping it aligned. I ran Teraflex btw, a respectable lift that wasn't a spacer lift nor incomplete to save on money. Driveline vibes after the lift (rear), blower motor switch had to be replaced (only worked on high), A/C condensation leaked on the passengers feet, blah blah blah.

I hope that you have better luck with a Jeep.


I do have a "creak" in the rear leaf springs that showed up after my last beating of the Tacoma at Hard Rock in Ocala.....I think I'll leave it, I'm blaming it on the Procomp AAL. It gives it character Creak is only there when I tow my 2 1000lb Quarter Horses in the 3200lb horse trailer.....something that I could never do in my Jeep........

 

One of my friends went in vacation in Germany last year. He and wife and two kids. In Berlin he rented a 4 door WW like a small minivan and had the time of his life. When he returned the car to the rental place he made a comment about the very good, in his opinion , miles per gallon, about 55m/gallon. The salesman's answer is the reason I write right now.
Mister I do not know what are you talking about, this car makes 69m/gallon, you must have a very heavy foot. He got back in US and went to his near by Volkswagen dealer asking about that car. I am sorry the guy said, but that model isn't here, only in Europe and South America. But by the way, they are made right here in the good old USA.
He contacted a bunch of people and finally got an answer. That model is NOT UP TO OUR SMOG STANDARDS.

 

You sure the diesel will be legal in Calif??

 

I guess you are very particular 15 new cars? Guess that says a lot. For years my daily commute was over a hundred miles so between running around town and commenting I did close to 36K a year in 5 years I got a new one so in 15 years I had 3 cars. I have never had a Toyota I didn’t like boring yes expensive no all of them pretty much trouble free.

 

It's a 50 state standard now. That's why there were no TDI VW's imported in 08

 

Wow it's funny how people rip others for wanting another car!

So my turn.....

I like jeeps, but never owned one. I know the rubicon with front and rear e-lockers are some very good going trucks. But a diesel motor weights a lot. They are very heavy motors. Wonder how that would affect its off road ability? Also to be pulling a trailer, if you need a diesel, I'm assuming you pull big weight. I would want more that a jeep in front of 7-10,000 pounds or what ever the load may weigh.

I'm not going to bash any carmaker. They all make good an bad cars(some worse than others)

But I have always heard don't buy the first model of anything. Cars,TVs, or whatever.

But I like jeeps so the best luck to you!!!

 

That's the mindset that people need to get out of. Everyone associates diesels with heavy hauling. The smaller diesels that are put in the little VW cars or even the one that will end up in the Jeep will not be as big and the vehicle as a whole will likely not be rated to tow or haul any additional weight over it's gasoline-powered counterpart. The people buying the smaller displacement diesels should be looking at them for longevity and durability, not as a heavy hauler.

 

Quoted for truth. Diesels are great for longer term ownership, where the fuel economy offsets the initial cost of the option.

 

i guess if i were you i wouldve done some research on this site. no point in getting a new clutch assembly every 2000 miles, when you can reach under with your fingers, tighten the plastic bolt, and NEVER have to worry about it creaking again. though, if you researched it you would know about that fix. driveline vibes are part of any truck, they are not that bad, and certainly not just toyota, my colorado was twice the piece of shit any tacoma ever thought about being. and my s10 was twice as bad as that. also, you can get some screen door rubber seals, i think 1/4 inch, and cut it to the length of the top of your windshield, and stick it in the small crease to fix the noise... wont even notice it and the noise will never come back. but you probably knew that from all your research on fixing the issues as well. not sure what youre talking about with transmission clunks, but i would say its probably not a big deal, just like the rest of the "problems" you are having. mine has 89k miles, and no problems whatsoever.

 

In Europe that all the run is diesels, there cars get 50-70mpg with diesels. Wonder why we don't get those here? Emissions?

 

to be honest, i dont think the stock D4-D's numbers are that great. they werent as good as the 1GR if i remember correctly...

EDIT: 3.0l D4-D HP and Torque:

229 HP
253 ft/lb torque

the ONLY advantage is MPG over the 1GR, and even then you pay more for gas.. i guess it all evens out, but at the end of the day, our 250 horse and 280 ft lb torque is better.

 

Glad you had good luck with your cars. But are you saying that I'm too picky? Am I supposed to quietly live with a vehicle that I believe wasn't put together well at all? And what says a lot? I've also had to move 20 times in the last 25 years...doesn't mean I'm picky, just means that my profession has required me to move, so a new place to live was in order. Same thing with vehicles...in many cases it made more sense to sell a vehicle before going overseas for an indefinite length of time, rather than keep it in storage.

I'm glad that you have been able to keep your vehicles a long time and that they've been reliable. I've never had trouble with any vehicle like I've had with this one. Your experience has obviously been very different than mine.

Back on track to Wrangler diesel talk...

 

Ask me about my Jeep diesel experience.

 

Asked?

 

This is classic. I'm supposed to accept a poorly constructed product? HELL NO!!!! I should fix stuff myself rather than hold Toyota accountable for a poorly built product? HELL NO! I should have researched this site to avoid having problems? That's some great logic there. FYI: I did do research. That didn't help me avoid problems.

Oh and I'm well aware of the clutch pushrod. I've adjusted it, lubed it, turned it, tightened it, and twisted it endlessly. It'd get rid of the creak for at most a day, then the creak would return.

Driveline vibes? I've had several trucks. Never had vibes like this truck.

I'm amazed that I have to defend that fact that I'm having trouble with the Taco and forcing the issue by taking it to the dealer to fix it under warranty.

I'm out. This place is loaded with blind loyalists who somehow transfer a vehicles problems to the owner...like it's the owner's fault the vehicle was poorly constructed. Too bad...there's some good info here.

 

There are a few reasons but quickly, you can blame emissions for it but it gets more complicated when it comes to trucks because of how they are rated. That's why you see small displacement diesels in cars and smaller SUVs and then not again until you get to the 3/4 ton and larger trucks but nothing in the mid-sized truck category.

The next reason, I'm sure, is cost. Figure a diesel option is $4-5,000 over the base engine. Adding that to a mid-sized truck price means you'll be paying more for your mid-sized diesel than a full sized truck, will be able to tow less and have less room. As much as people say they want the diesel, I'd be curious to see who would be actually willing to pay for it. On the small cars, they sell because they aren't terribly expensive, the MPG's are awesome and the base car is relatively cheap. Then you see them on higher end SUVs where the base vehicle cost is already high so proportionally, the cost of adding the diesel option isn't as large ($4,000 option on a $50,000 base vehicle vs. $4,000 option on a $30,000 vehicle).

Lastly, you need to convince the US market that diesels aren't the old, clunky, stinky engines that they used to be that won't start in the cold.

Everything above is my $0.02 on diesels in the mid-sized truck market. Mostly opinions based on what I see happening. That being said