Wrangler Diesel deposit(Taco for sale)

Why does everyone think a diesel is for towing!?!?
I guess it's a common American misconception due to the Dodge Cummins, etc,
Diesels are just a much better way of propelling a vehicle.
Ask anyone that lives in Europe.
The new clean diesels are SOOO good!
You just have to drive one to understand.

 

Probably because a diesel Dodge since that was your example tows significantly more than its gas counterpart. Diesels generally are better at towing. You're disputing that?

 

Agreed, and we are talking about diesel trucks and SUVs which are generally used for towing.. If we were talking about a car then no one would be saying its only for towing

 

I generally avoid people from Europe.

 

In my younger years I thought about a diesel car (forget what kind, it was a used car)..then I looked and found in my area it was not easy to find diesel fuel. That's another thing..

 

It may have already been covered but wouldn't a 3.0 v6 diesel have low torque and operate at pretty high rpms competitively for a deisel because of the small pistons and what not? I thought the numbers originally posted seemed a bit high, and wouldn't higher rpms net worse mileage negating most of the reason to get a diesel

 

Look at the VW TDI and other small oil burners.

It's all about volumetric efficiency. Gasoline engines are at absolute best only about 65-70% efficient. Diesel engines are upwards of 80% efficient.

My '06 Duramax was an 8000lb 2500 4x4 crew cab spinning 285/75-16, engine was a 6.6l (400cid).

It got the same mileage as my '03 Tundra. Access cab 2wd 4.7 (285cid)

And no, a 3.0 Diesel would not have low torque. It would be able to idle up a hill pulling a 6000lb boat.

 

Truth! I was a GM fanboy for 22 years and will never buy another after my Colorado puked the head. Not so much that but GM and the dealer lied to me time after time. You could give me a lifetime warranty and I still wouldn't buy one.

 

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Also, diesel is about the price of 89 octane gas in my area which I consider reasonable. Just about every station in town has diesel. Even out of town I rarely see a non diesel gas station.

Depending on the price, I would consider when the time comes maybe 5-6 years down the road replacing my Tacoma with a Ford Ranger Double Cab XL 4x4 2.2L diesel 6MT if they ever bring one over.

 

I've owned 1 new vehicle in my life..my 2006 Chevy Colorado. Prior to that, my newest was a 5 year old Olds Achieva and a lot of 8 yr old cars. Always said if I buy new I'll pay for 5 and keep for 10. I'm the minority from most people I know..quite a lot of folks I can name didn't even finish their payments before getting another vehicle.

I paid off the Chevy in June 2012 and would have held onto it but the head let go..then it ate the timing chain. Bad enough at 78K to have all that, then GM tries to get out of their "warranty" on it.

Makes me wonder is it chicken or the egg..do people do this because their vehicle doesn't last, or they're worried about that happening as it did in my case..

 

Those things are badass. Just got back from NZ, and stayed with a buddy that had one. I'd buy that ranger over any vehicle that's currently out right now to replace the tacoma. I thought it was a 3.0 though.

 

There is a 3.2L and a 2.2L, both diesels. They also have a 2.5L gas engine available.

 

If they brought that over Toyota would have no choice but to make some serious moves. It's giving the Hilux quite the competition. I'd just be waiting to see Yoyota's reply to such a move.

 

It would be about time. I really hope 2014 Colorado does well. It could be an invitation for T6 Ranger, Amarok and others and for Toyota to finally get on with times after 10 model years.

 

I no that a 3.0 diesel would have plenty of torque in a 4 cylinder beacause each one would have 1 liter of displacement makin hi torque and low rpms. But as a 6 it would only be 667ml pretty small for diesel imho but easier to get high rpms and ur 6.6 as an 8 is 825ml pretty good for torque and not bad fir rpms. Hp would be close in both 4 and 6 but ots because the 6 would operate at higher rpms

 

Yea, I'd love the Amarok too. It'd be a hard choice for me between the Ranger and the Amarok, being a VW fan and all.

I think if they start making more full 1/2 ton diesels like the Ram though, there wouldn't be much of a market for a midsize diesel. I think things are going to get interesting once the Ram unveils.

 

Maybe you are right, but on the other hand there is 140k Tacoma's sold in US only in 2012, which is basically a very outdated product compared to just about any current half ton. If there is an up to date midsize truck available, I still think many will buy it. Not everyone NEEDS or WANTS a full size. Also tons of those Taco sales were sold in TRD trims or at least SR5 which is not exactly cheap or a whole lot cheaper than a full size or in some cases when rebates come in play even same price or higher.

The basic 4 door T6 Ranger has 2500lbs payload. That is quite a bit more than any 4 door half ton as far as I know. That would be a problem for Ford, GM, Toyota etc. but not for VW since they don't have other trucks in their lineup. I bet GM will slash Colorado rating in half to not upset 1/2 ton sales.

As I posted in the other thread earlier, it seems like there may be some changes in the future. Diesel 1500 Ram in 2014, new midsize Colorado (possibly with diesel if I'm not mistaken), Promaster and Transit "Euro" commercial vans with "euro" small diesels in them for 2014, Cherokee and now apparently Wrangler...

 

Very true Kryten. I just wanted a mid-size. I don't tow anything, plus I drive a lot so fuel mileage is high on my want list. I used to think about a Silverado, but my brother in law has one and even with the V6 he only gets 15 to the gallon.

I'd agree that competition might make Toyota try harder, but I don't see the Colorado doing it. Those trucks are just not very reliable, add to that GM's piss poor customer service and it adds up to a bad experience IMO.

 

Yeah, the Colorado would not be the one I'd probably pick from the global ute's, but that is the one confirmed for US. I really hope it will do well as Toyota needs a push and if thats the case, Ford and others may follow offering their midsize trucks once again. The more competition and options the better for us consumers.

Btw did you mean poor reliability of the discontinued US Colorado or the global one announced to be sold as 2014 MY in US?

 

The manufactures are going to look at diesels a lot harder because of the fuel mileage mandate if nothing else it's one way of making the same heavy hog and still getting the necessary mileage.