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2009 tsb?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by mudduck, Aug 27, 2008.

  1. May 30, 2009 at 4:57 AM
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    JoeSchmuck

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    Normally when there is a Rev change, the part itself has been modified in some way, at least that's how we do it in the corporate world. Thats not saying the capacity of the springs have changed because I don't know that, could be they used a different paint on them, but I'm saying that there was a change somewhere related to the spring. If Toyota addresed this problem with a beefier set of 3 springs, there may be a future 2009 TSB but states the Rev H's are exempt (just speculation).

    I would like to know if anyone is having problems with the Rev H springs because we all know that the Rev G's do give some people (depending on how they use thier trucks) problems.

    Also, I've only seen two TSBs for the 2009 Tacoma. Both are Pre-Delivery and not problem related. You have the spare tire needing to be inflated and setting the TPS. The second is installing the carpet hooks.

    -Joe

    Edit: Just a note, this thread is a bit long to discuss 2009 TSBs when 99% of the talk is really about 2008 TSBs that we think should apply to the 2009 models. Maybe a title change is in order like "2008 TSBs we'd think apply to 2009". Just a thought. Then we could create a true 2009 TBS page which states only the actual 2009 TSBs. But hey, I'm here for the ride!
     
  2. May 30, 2009 at 5:11 AM
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    Concur that Rev Letters usually indicate some kind of change. I've seen that a time or two before.
    But for the Suspension TSB- It doesn't mention anything about the rev letters- just the primary part numbers (as you have already noted). Being that the TSB is for that part number- I would be surprised if they fixed the problem and left the part numbers the same.
    Good luck finding the info you want tho.
     
  3. May 30, 2009 at 8:12 AM
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    There are engineering standards that relate to revisions. Simply put, if the fit, form, or function of a part changes, it requires a new part number. Similarly, if it is something that affects safety, it requires a new part number. That would lead one to believe that if this issue where "fixed" a new part number would be required.
     
  4. May 30, 2009 at 8:43 AM
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    Okay...Maybe I wasn't as clear as I wanted to be. For the TSB the revision letters don't have any effect. The main part number stays the same and the TSB does not reference ANY rev letters....so if you are concerned about getting the leaf spring TSB- You need look at the TSB and see what it says.
     
  5. May 30, 2009 at 9:27 AM
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    Exactly my point. Revision level will have no bearing on the TSB.
     
  6. May 31, 2009 at 7:09 AM
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    True, the 2005-2008 TSB does not mention Rev letters, simply the part number itself and I totally agree on that part. But also it seems to me that all those springs are Rev G's because I have not seen anyone post anything to the contrary.

    As for your engineering standards comment, I am an engineer and true, there are guidlines where if it will substantially change the mechanical or electrical design of the product and/or it's not backwards compatible a new part number is required. However making a spring a little beefier may not require a new part number if it still surves the same purpose, has the same fit, etc. I deal with this every week.

    Example: The springs are P/N 123 Rev A and are made of three leafs. Lets say the third leaf was changed by making it thicker and stronger. This might require a P/N change or Rev letter change. Now this must be taken into account on the drawing for the overall leaf spring assembly by stating it is the newer one and the drawing rev changes (P/N 123 Rev B), but the items still fills the same fix and function.

    But, sometimes a revision changes simply because the design drawing changed for an unrelated reason, normally what I see is torque spec changes, or grammer updates for this type of revision change. I'd rather tell you both sides to a rev change because maybe Rev H spings was a cosmetic change and not to beef them up. I don't know, and I'll tell you I don't know vice making up facts. Also, the springs are not a safety hazzard otherwise it would have been a recall.

    Well we all know that automotive standards are different than military standards and I'm in the latter part? But, in all sincerity, I hope your wrong because I think it would be great if Toyota finally fixed a weak part in the TRD package and I hate going to the dealership. I will have them replaced if the TSB comes out and says they are the inferrior springs.

    I hope I did not offend anyone, not my goal. I think TW is a great forum to get some valuable information and share our experiences.

    -Joe
     
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    I'm going to guess that 1) you will have a hell of a time figuring out what the change is- Cause the people who know are not the people who answer the phones at customer service. and 2) you'll be disappointed with the answer if you ever get it.

    I got told me springs were fine when i asked about the TSB before 08's were included...and they said Rev G was fine....and they weren't....so I have little to no faith that the Rev H are updated springs (at least as far as capacity is concerned).

    They have the 4 leaf springs to fix the problem for people who are bothered by the load limit, and the TSB states replace these part numbers with those part numbers....no mention of the Rev lettrs....so off personal experience and some simple deduction, I'm sticking by my Rev H springs are not fixed.
     
  8. Jun 1, 2009 at 9:27 PM
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    I have a few questions about TSB's
    1) Are TSB's voided if your purchased your truck from a private party (friend)?
    2) If you purchase a Tacoma from a dealer are the tsb corrected before leaving the lot to the new owner?
     
  9. Jun 2, 2009 at 1:01 AM
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    As long as you are under the warranty mileage I would think you would still be covered, it follows the vehicle, not the owner.

    The dealer is still selling new 09s with the 3 leaf springs, so they would do the same to used, they will only do the tsb if you ask.
     
  10. Jun 2, 2009 at 5:38 AM
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    Was told yesterday that they would only do the springs on my 09 but not the shocks:( But i guess ill take what i can get at this point :D
     
  11. Jun 2, 2009 at 1:24 PM
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    Seeing the third gen section forced me to get a Ford...

    if you are TRD, then they will only do the springs. the upgraded shocks are for the other models to get the TRD bilsteins
     
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    mine is non trd prerunner
     
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    Seeing the third gen section forced me to get a Ford...
    then i'd print out a copy of that TSB and make them put on the shocks and do the alignment. thats BS that they would do part of the TSB but not all
     
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    You may have to wait for a 2009 TSB or find another dealer.
     
  15. Jun 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM
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    I picked my '09 up last Oct. it has tow package. Should I have 4 springs? Mine has 3.
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  16. Jun 15, 2009 at 12:23 PM
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    All 09's have 3 leaf springs except for the canadian models.
    i too have the tow pkg on my 09 TRD OR and it came with 3. my dealer approved the TSB for me after talking to regional supervisor. i told them I plan on hauling my motorcycle and that i was hitting my bump stops with only 400 lbs of sanbags over the winter.
     
  17. Jun 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM
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    I called the dealer and they told me unless I was hauling heavy loads. I also carry dirt bikes, but not often. I also plan on pulling a small pop-up camper. I wonder if the ride changes with 4 springs?
     
  18. Jun 15, 2009 at 1:19 PM
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    Yes the ride changes, it gets firmer, but probably still softer than the front end if you have a lift on it.
     
  19. Jun 16, 2009 at 8:33 AM
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  20. Jul 24, 2009 at 9:04 AM
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    Finding the rear suspension way too saggy with even light loads.
    Definitely need to add a leaf.

    Dealer is talking with corporate right now. They say the new replacement is a heavier 3 leaf. Yes, there is a replacement. Corp's first question to the dealer was, is the customer really having a problem, or does he just want it because he read it in a forum. Seems they are really hesitant to do unnecessary warranty work if the customer only uses their truck to get groceries.
    Dealer believes they will authorize it, but need to validate the requirement.
    So far it's been about 4 weeks ... corporate is really slow processing requests.
    The dealer is very helpful, and not pushing back at all, other than to verify that they will be authorized for the man-hours and parts, as there's no official 2009 tsb as yet.
    I'm not too comfortable it's a 3 leaf swap .. but if they are willing to go to the trouble, it must be an 'upgrade' in their opinion.
     

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