NSA Surveillance

incorrect ^^^^^

TS SIOP ESI and I was literally everywhere carrying
all communications between washington and every other agency.

protip: SIOP is now discontinued. since you are such a pro,
date me, and what I did at the time. all the info you need is in this post

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I cannot be convinced otherwise that: my government, on the whole, is good...
because I was one of it's worker bees (and by proxy still am) and I know these
things... that we are on the good side of good vs evil.

 

TS SCI here, in the day, even the cooks had it where I was. The reason no American citizen/civilian needs to know a lot of it?.... loose lips sinks ships as they said in WW2.

"cannot confirm or deny" "do not speculate" ...sounds more like Toyota and the mythical gen3

 

K.

 

Never said they didn't, China had a very great number of losses fighting the Japanese.

I guess some people see it as offensive, I have nothing against asians. I know it was derogatory 60 years ago, but I saw it as an abbreviation. To be honest, the Asians I have met at school were all chill people.

 

Among other countries

 

No, it's not. The government does a lot of things it doesn't talk openly about (to you or, more importantly, others). For example, the entire Manhattan Project (atomic bomb development), involving hundreds of researchers and a few dozen companies, was done is total secrecy.

Done today, that would almost certainly lead to people screaming loudly (on talk radio shows, on websites, and within internet forums) about a government conspiracy to lock up the entire population or whatever. The first atomic test would have still others screaming about aliens attacking or the government using technology captured from aliens. And, of course, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Michale Savage would be having pure conniptions.

See.

 

This whole thing is ridiculous

 

i've been working in my field long enough to know that the only people drinking the koolaid are the conspiracy theorists

i dont understand why americans so badly want to think that they can't trust the government

 

We can't trust them due to a huge list of stuff that would shock you

 

Let's hear it

 

x2, let me see all these youtube videos and blogspot posts that you are so willing and eager to believe

 

For starters the 17 trillion dollar debt, NSA surveillance in blatant violation of the 4th Amendment, NDAA 2012 and the indefinite detention if the president chooses to arrest you, Drone Program, Lying to the people from multiple administrations, 1.4 billion dollars worth of vacations in 4 years for the president, cutting back our militaries capabilities and soldiers, Making regulations that kill jobs and make it hard to even launch a business, Education standards at an all time low, Border security, The wiretapping of Journalists, Eric Holder investigating Eric Holder, Nothing getting done in congress need I say more

 

Lets not forget the IRS targeting the "free" subjects...

 

this sucks.

not in violation of the 4th amendment, you're not being searched nor seized, and it wouldn't matter anyway because the data that the nsa collects is technically not yours

how many people have been detained under ndaa?

what's wrong with it?

when has the american public ever felt that a president/presidential administration HASN'T lied to them? come on bro.

lol that isn't even remotely close, google it and most articles say $20 million, which is still a lot but nowhere close to the number you seemed to have pulled out of nowhere

how can you maintain a cutting edge standing army while at the same time reduce government spending? there's no such thing as magic, military costs money.

what regulations?

because teachers are in short supply because they're not well-paid because there is no money to pay them

same thing as your point about the military

there is an incredibly huge difference between wiretapping phones and obtaining someone's phone records, i suggest you research said differences so you can actually understand what is going on.

a high-level government official lying?!!?!?! has this ever happened before?!?!

people don't agree on things, it happens, if you're so concerned about it write a letter to your congressman instead of being an uninformed cynic

 

So I'm curious, what "field" have you worked in that leads YOU to believe the gov. CAN be trusted ??...

Yep, I was shocked & pissed off over things in the past the gov. passed off as the truth...

Ok canuck

Thats a dumb statement, I'm not so willing & eager to believe anything , I'm a critical thinker with the ability to consider BOTH side objectively & wirhout bias, are you?

Anyway you guys asked , so you shall recieve......

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=92662&page=1

Exactly, blatant corruption....

Now I know this is a long read for most of you, but its an eye opener, not fiction, not wild imagination of so called tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut jobs, credible sources & now historical fact...

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.
America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."
Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.
The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.
"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.
"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."
Gunning for War
The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.
The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.
Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."
The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S. shores.
The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not allowed to provide firepower.The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.
"The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro.
Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military — not democratic — control over the island nation after the invasion.
"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."
'Over the Edge'

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Intelligence_Community

the reason i trust the government is because the actual dirt movers in all government agencies are actual human beings with senses of right and wrong that don't have political agendas

like i said before, if you want to figure out how the system actually works you should work for it. if you don't have experience with the structure of the intelligence community you have no idea what you are talking about and have no ground to stand on when talking about it.

people are entitled to make these outlandish claims of wire tapping and phone spying but that doesn't make them not completely wrong. no one is going to stop you from thinking what you want to think but no one's going to stop me from laughing at you for being uninformed and wrong. at the same time you only base your opinions on what you know, and it's understandable that you have the opinion that you do because you don't have the facts because you are not part of the intelligence communitah and thusly don't have access to the whole story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22916329

like i said earlier in this thread, an incredibly small percentage of the us population are even "targeted" by these requests for data and you have to meet extremely specific criteria to be targeted to begin with so the average person like you or me is literally ignored

 

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Not going to even quote that nonsense ...

You didn't even acknowledge the source I linked, all you implied is I don't know anything about the so called intelligence community, & you try to give the impression that you have the inside line & info on how the system really works, you wanted to "see" some facts, I gave you a legit link & all you have is "you don't know how the system works" Pretty fucking weak there super slewth, but since you apparently work within the intelligence community guess its safe to say that maybe its YOU that has a skewed vision of the way things really work...

What can you tell me about our going to war with VietNam ??

What can you tell me about Israel's attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 during the 6 day war ?

 

As a matter of fact, read the notation at the bottom of my sig & theres your answer..

 

you're not going to quote "nonsense" from an unbiased, reputable source? lol dude

i love how your only evidence of the government being some corrupt machine are examples from 40 years ago. things change.

i didn't imply that you don't know about the IC, i said it.

 

TOR -> I know.