Grey Wolf 21RR Toy Hauler with 2013 Limited 4.0L Taco with extras....

Dude, I totally know what you're going through. I have a new F150 too. You're smart going to the max tow,as I didn't. Good luck, and I'd love to hear your opinion on how the F150 tows the 19RR compared to the Taco. You will love the EcoBeast!

 

Heh, now the next problem is that you didn't buy the bigger trailer and you'll be selling that too.

Hind sight is always 20-20, and if I could do it over again I would've bought the biggest truck I felt was comfortable driving daily before I ever went trailer shopping. Mainly due to the way financing works on automobiles vs RV's. Once you buy the trailer, it's a bitch to sell.

 

Actually the payload for my Plat is 1,900 lbs because I got the max tow package with GVWR of 7650 lbs and SuperCrew, Short Bed (145" wheel base), and 3.5L Ecoboost.

The Limited looks like is 1300, but not the Plat with Max Tow Package.
http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/specifications/payload/

I was very sad when I found out that the Heavy Duty Payload Package (adds anothr 400 lbs to payload) wasnt an option with the Plat though, but I did get the 1900 payload so thats better then without the Max Tow Package....

Nope, it never over heated or noticed any increase in water temp according to the ScanGuard 2

Yup, I have already thought about going back to the dealer and say We have not used the 19RR, how much would it costs us for you to take the 19RR and we get the 25RR LOL

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By the way I did pick up the F150 last night and just got back from driving it 1,000 miles non stop to break it in before towing since that is what the manual says.
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On a side note, I will have a couple parts I will be selling although most of the good stuff will stay with the Taco when I sell it because that is one of the reasons why the car buying campany will be paying more than Carmax or the dealer and I need it gone now! LOL

 

1900 payload is great. My FX4 is only 1199#'s. Let us know how the new truck tows for you.

 

I didn't know the Platinum could go that high, what does the sticker say on the inside of the driver side door? (I'm not calling BS, I'm genuinely curious)

I thought the 20" wheels were the limiting factor.

 

Bill. Thanks for this link. The Jeep Trail Campers are exactly what I've been looking for. My parents had a similar set up when I was little and we camped all over the Northeast with that thing.

 

You're Welcome!

Don in sales/service at LivinLite extension #104 is a good guy to ask questions during the weekdays.

Met one guy camping with a LivinLite VRV toy hauler and he said after a camping trip he hoses the mud & grease off of the aluminum floor. They build tough campers!

 

I just looked at my stickers in the door. Now I am confused about the max payload....

Ford says my truck "without" the Max Tow Package (highlighted in yellow) has a GVWR of 7200 lbs and a Max Payload of 1300.

Ford says my truck "with" the Max Tow Package (highlighted in green) has a GVWR of 7650 lbs (The sticker says this) so that means my max Payload is 1900 lbs. (Look at the Ford Specs sheet below).

The sticker shows I have the correct GVWR of 7650 lbs, but only shows my Payload of 1581 lbs.

So does that mean my truck can handle the 1900 lbs (frame and axle) if I get tires that can or what?

Maybe they didnt update the 2nd sticker with the proper payload?

Plus I have read that I can add a leaf or air bags to add more max payload to a truck, but if the tires/wheels cant hold that much in the first place....

How can I find out what exactly is the "weak link" in my max payload so I can improve it.

 

There is nothing you can do to legally increase payload. Springs will just prevent sag, not increase payload. Reality is the Platinum is a heavy truck on its own, lots of leather, cooled seats, power running boards, sunroof, fancy trim, power everything, bed liner, it all adds up and is subtracted from available payload. With a WD hitch you should be fine, but don't have the attitude that because it is a full size (eg, not a. Tacoma) it will handle everything you throw at it. I assumed this too, my wife even hinting that we should have bought a larger trailer (ours is 25') now that we went from a Taco to an F150. To be honest once you get familiar with towing and payloads you release that around the campsite people haven't done their homework and are towing all sorts of trailers with half-tons. Question is, do you want to do damage to your truck, or worse, put your family and others on the road at risk? FYI, I have a 5.0 Platinum, non-max tow. My payload is 1271, according to your chart I should have 1700. That would be for a base model.

F150forums is a good resource, check out this thread, there are also many other threads in the towing forum to get more info.

http://www.f150forum.com/f38/payload-vs-options-truck-sticker-pics-213845/

 

The lack of payload is an ugly secret among pickups. Even F250s have less than you would think. You have to go to a 1 ton (F350) to get a significant payload.

 

Secret? LMAO... Where do you think the terms 1/2, 3/4ton and 1ton came from?

The fact they they've increased the payload as much as it has is impressive. Also the payload is a well published number. No secrets, just ignorant buyers

 

Every truck should have its actual payload printed on the sticker on the door jamb. Most half tons and midsize have quite low payload imo. (especially once you get into higher option packages)

 

1ton = 2000lb
1/2ton = 1000 lb

Half-ton trucks that have 1200-1900lb capacity is pretty fantastic to me!

 

Imo this is 2013, not 1962 and so 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton and 1 ton classifications should not be taken literally. Some minivans and SUV's have same or in some cases even better payload than my Tacoma and a few 1500 series trucks. On top of that, my own Tacoma with 1200lbs of payload printed on the sticker can't even support the weight without hitting the bumpstops and that is with TSB springs. Idk, I just think the payloads are on the lower side, but that's just my opinion...

 

Welcome to 2013 where the Tacoma has nearly the same capabilities (payload and towing) as my 1995 F150!

Vans and SUVS are multi-passenger vehicles and completely different animals with different needs. Also didn't exist in 1962, nice red herring though!

Today's trucks are insanely capable compared to old trucks. The classifications are still good... Throwing 2000lbs in the bed of a truck? Get a 1ton.", because as you noted the "ratings" are often optimistic

 

My Taco has less than 1200 lbs payload. I looked at Tundra's with less than 1500 lbs. Take a Taco DC with 3 of your friends and you have very little payload left.

 

By secret I mean that payload is one of the few numbers that you cannot rely on published numbers, but rather must following the number posted on the sticker on the driver's door. As auto companies have added options to their trucks to increase passenger capacity and comfort, they have reduced the actual available payload. It is amazing to me that the OP's F150 with max tow only has 381 lbs more payload than my DC Taco.

 

Very interesting thread. I posted yesterday about me buying a toy hauler that weighs 3500 pounds empty. I got one reply so this sure helped. Kinda glad the deal didn't happen!

 

^ I can see that.

'13 Ram 1500 CC 4x4 Longhorn with Rambox - 870 lbs of payload.
http://www.rambodybuilder.com/2013/docs/ram/rammlup1500.pdf

 

I know it is now irrelevant since you sold the Taco, but that CAT scale readout is very telling for other Taco-towing owners. First thing, "max trailer weight" is a pretty worthless figure, really only good for marketing. What you want to focus on for towing is GAWR, GVWR and GCWR. That goes for ANY tow vehicle, not just the Tacoma.

From the CAT Scale printout:

Steer Axle @ 2580 lbs. That is 175lbs under max for the Taco (2755)
Rear Axle @ 2840 lbs. That is 270 lbs under max (3110)
Total truck is at 5,420 lbs, or a scant 30 lbs under GVWR (5,450)
In other words, this is right at the maximum rating for the truck, but not over.

Assuming that scale weight was with you and your wife in the truck. If not, then your truck will be over GVWR by adding just passengers and drivers, much less any other gear you'd bring with you camping.....

Trailer axle @ 5100 puts the GCVW at 10,520 lbs, or 660 lbs under the GCWR of the Taco (11,180 lbs, 4x4 Quad GRN245L-PRADKA). Again, that is assuming the total scale weight includes passengers and driver. If not, then you'd be over the weight rating of the Taco.


On your F150, same thing applies, don't worry about the "payload" but what the "Steer", "Drive" and "Trailer" axle weights come in at. Looking at the F150 manual, you should have 17,100 lbs of GCWR, which is 6,000 lbs more than the Taco. I'm actually surprised that GCWR is that high from a 3.5L Ecoboost setup, but that is what it says. The 6.2L has the same GCWR.