Creationism vs. Evolution

They are next to you in the supermarket, on the highway, at your polling place.

 

It didn't " flip " this time

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYbpKMFJFCw

 

Man was created in God's image so he is accountable to a higher standard of behavior than animals. And because everyone has free will, they are completely free to do whatever they want. So if people want to use animals as their model of behavior there is nothing to stop them from doing so. Just as there is nothing to stop them from getting the consequences they deserve which are set into motion by their own behavior.

I don't believe in your idea of what the Christian God is any more than you do.

(by the way, OZ... I thought you said that you had unsubscribed )

 

I agree.
Just the "rational scientific theories" flip when you give them enough time.

 

Yeah, the number of Priests with a first-class nonstop ticket to hell is pretty impressive. I wonder what the percentage of homosexuality in the cloth is compared to the general population?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UHSa2zV--xw

 

So when God was conjuring up the animal kingdom he just thought he would throw in the odd homosexual animal to spice things up ?

If it's such a sin why make them at all , I mean he's all powerful , no ?



Oh and I was drawn back in by God's amazing " Hot Wheel in a rock " trick

 

Somebody didn't read the link I posted beyond the title

Typical

 

I understand.
This is no end of fun.

 

Oz stahp bringing up your post count!

 

I will start with this:
I did not read 150 pages of this, I flipped and skimmed.

I believe in both creation and evolution. I think every step in the chain of evolution has been guided by a divine spirit. I also believe all divine spirits are one and the same. God, Mother Earth, Allah; and even all of the gods that polytheists believe in, are aspects of the same divine force. I think all of the complications in the different explanations are due to man trying to explain something that is too big for him to understand.

To say that God created the our world in 7 days, to me means that he did so in steps, always building on the previous step. Evolution follows similar steps but with different duration. At the time the Bible was written, man could not have understood the idea of 100 million years, he would be fortunate to live 40 years. Evolution demonstrates the vast understanding of the divine spirit to remain so complex and beautiful in an ever changing environment.

I think we need to be able to accept things in our heart, and not try as hard to understand them. And the most important part is to not fight over such subtle differences. I choose to not believe in a divine spirit that would punish a person who lived a good life and treated others fairly, simply because they did not recognize Him.

 

Didn't need to.

I remember the secular liberal global cooling hysteria in the 70's.
It was just like the secular liberal global warming hysteria of the 00's.

Live long enough and you'll get to see everything come around again.

 

Are you wileyC ?

 

Some quotes from one of my favorite authors:

“I think it's perfectly possible to explain how the universe came about without bringing God into it, but I don't know everything, and there may well be a God somewhere, hiding away. Actually, if he is keeping out of sight, it's because he's ashamed of his followers and all the cruelty and ignorance they're responsible for promoting in his name. If I were him, I'd want nothing to do with them.”
― Philip Pullman

“I'm for open-mindedness and tolerance. I'm against any form of fanaticism, fundamentalism or zealotry, and this certainty of 'We have the truth.' The truth is far too large and complex. Nobody has the truth.”
― Philip Pullman

"I suppose technically, you'd have to put me down as an agnostic. But if there is a God, and He is as the Christians describe Him, then He deserves to be put down and rebelled against"
― Philip Pullman

 

Aside the ridiculous point of that propaganda, am I the only one who thinks that looks nothing like a real rock? More like a kid dropped a car in wet concrete and somehow that piece got broken off and tossed around like a river stone....

 

From a few years back, the original verdict got upheld yesterday:

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A mother and father who prayed instead of seeking medical help as their daughter died in front of them were properly convicted of homicide, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Wednesday.

Eleven-year-old Madeline Kara Neumann died of undiagnosed diabetes on Easter Sunday in March 2008 at home in the central Wisconsin village of Weston. Prosecutors said her parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, ignored obvious symptoms of severe illness as Kara became too weak to speak, eat, drink or walk, choosing to pray rather than take her to a doctor.

The Supreme Court's decision said the Neumanns don't belong to any organized church but believe visiting a doctor amounts to worshipping an idol rather than God.

As Kara's condition worsened they resisted suggestions from her grandmother to take her to a doctor. Kara's grandfather suggested giving her Pedialyte, a supplement used to combat dehydration in children, but Leilani Neumann said that would take the glory away from God.

Dale Neumann testified that the possibility of death never entered their minds. After she died, Leilani Neumann told police God would raise Kara from the dead.
Doctors testified that Kara would have had a good chance of survival if she had received medical care before she stopped breathing.
Marathon County prosecutors charged the couple with second-degree reckless homicide. Separate juries convicted them in 2009. They each faced up to 25 years in prison, but a judge instead ordered them to serve a month in jail every year for six years, with one parent serving every March and the other every September.
The couple's attorneys argued that Wisconsin law protects people from being charged with child abuse if they provide spiritual treatment for a child in lieu of medical assistance. They contended the law protects parents from criminal liability through the point of creating a substantial risk of death, making it difficult to know when a situation has become so serious that parents who stay with prayer healing become criminally liable. State attorneys countered that parents are immune from child abuse charges but not homicide counts, arguing that once they realize a child could die, their immunity ends.
More than a dozen states have some form of legal protection for parents who choose prayer healing for their children over conventional medical attention. But they've been wrestling for years with how far those protections go.


Wisconsin's 3rd District Court of Appeals sent the Neumanns' appeal straight to the state Supreme Court without ruling on it, calling the case unique.
In a 6-1 decision released Wednesday, the state Supreme Court found criminal immunity for treatment by prayer has clear limits and that the Neumanns went too far.
"The juries could reasonably find that by failing to call for medical assistance when Kara was seriously ill and in a coma-like condition for 12 to 14 hours, the parents were creating an unreasonable and substantial risk of Kara's death, were subjectively aware of that risk, and caused her death," Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson wrote for the majority.
Justice David Prosser, the lone dissenter, acknowledged the Neumanns' reaction to Kara's illness was so outside normal behavior that it's hard for anyone to identify with them. But he maintained state law is unclear on how far immunity for prayer treatment goes.
"There were and are serious deficiencies in the law and they ought to be addressed by the legislature and the courts," Prosser said. "Failing to acknowledge these deficiencies will not advance the long-term administration of justice."
Dale Neumann's attorney, Steven L. Miller, said the couple is devastated about the decision.
"They're still mourning the loss of this child. From their perspective they felt they were acting in a legal manner," he said.
A message seeking comment was left for Leilani Neumann's attorney, Byron Lichstein. A call to a possible residential listing for Leilani Neumann rang unanswered.
A spokeswoman for the state Justice Department, which defended the convictions on behalf of Marathon County, declined comment.

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some people take their superstitions way too serious.

 

^^wow, They honestly should be sterilized.

 

I'm sorry but this is hilarious

Whoever wrote this and made a big deal out of it must not be around sand that much... compression and packing of sand doesn't take millions of years..and that isn't arenite...Thats just loosely compacted sand