Synthetic oil

+10,000

Even using synthetic with an overpriced K&N filter, it's still under $50.
Anyone who can't afford $0.01 per mile for oil and a filter probably shouldn't be driving anything without pedals.

 

I read all these posts but I never understand why anyone would jeopardize a $30,000 investment by not changing oil - it's cheap - it's quick - it's easy. Extended OCI are for politically correct politicians not for truck guys IMHO. BTW waste oil can be burned for heat it doesn't have 2B dumped in a land fill. I know people who heat their shops for free with it. Win Win

 

Exactly....Also they recycle oil. I have 3 55gal drums at my shop. I fill them with used oil in about 2 maybe 3 weeks. We have a company called Ashbury Environmental pick it up. They sell it to recycling plants. Changing your oil is the cheapest easiest preventive maintenance you can do. Why wait for your oil to break down.

 

X2 on U

 

You know, I don't think it's getting bent out of shape about oil, but bent out of shape about all of the misinformation that people tend to give out about oil.

Besides being an AMSOIL dealer, I have been an aircraft mechanic for the better part of 20 years. On the bigger jet engines (I manage a fleet of 757's) they NEVER change the oil! The filters are changed at around 2000 engine hours, but the oil is never changed! The do consume a certain amount of oil but I would discount that as an oil change . (About .1qt per engine hour) We sample it ever every 500 hours. We run an Exxon Mobil synthetic in those engines. You just can't argue with that as a premise of the durability of synthetic oil.

 

Agreed and you can't argue about the convenience of extended OCI either. For me it's NOT about saving a few bucks, oil changes are cheap maintenance either way you do it. If your not doing any harm by changing oil once or twice a year instead of 3-4 times, why wouldn't you?

 

There is a big difference between a jet turbine and a reciprocating internal combustion engine.
Turbines do not have combustion gas blow-by contaminating the oil and producing acids.
Turbines are never run for short periods outside of maintenance... when they are running, they are run long enough to boil off any moisture from condensation during cool-down.

But you already know that... but it won't help you sell Amsoil.

 

Good 4 U Rich.

 

NO, but they are subject to carbon coking from the high temperatures and may other anomalies that help break down oil. Thanks for making my point. Turbine oils get punished twice as hard as recip oils and yet they hold up

I really like your insinuation that somehow I am being dishonest. Funny thing is that I don't sell AMSOIL, it sells itself in my case. When I landed my contract with the US Govt, they came to me, not the other way around. When they buy 100 plus gallons of oil every month for the diesel trucks at the one facility I serve, I really can't complain.

I am always very honest with my customers, as a matter of fact I had one on this board where he had issues with the TBN taking a dump way before it should. Turned out that his exact problem was short trips coupled with a bad air filtration system.

Doesn't matter what oil you run to me, but I get fed up with the people on here that all of a sudden become experts on oil chemistry and parrot bad information. Most of that information is some personal hate/hangup, not based on data, research, oil analysis, etc. Kind of like my grandpa was on Quaker State.

 

VegasNick, the problem is it isn't the important metric in cars. To my knowledge (correct me if I'm parroting bad information), the limiting factor in the life of most oils in cars these days is the depletion of additives and pollution of the oil from blow-by. In other words, it isn't relevant that the oil doesn't lose lubricity, and focusing on that could in fact lead people to make poor decisions with their car; "Oh, jet engines run the same oil for life because synthetic never breaks down! I can do that with my car too!"

I'd also be interested to hear a comparison of jet engine oil filters vs. car engine oil filters. I would not be surprised to hear the jet engine oil filters remove much finer particles.

 

Ditto.

And I've never bashed Amsoil products. I used them extensively in 2005-2009 for my Duramax and motorcycles. In my motorcycle, Amsoil 20w50mc and Mobil-1 20w50 V-Twin both showed comparable results in UOA after 6,000 miles.
I dropped out of the supply chain when I got rid of the Duramax, as it was no longer cost-effective to pay Amsoil's dealer/preferred customer fees.
I never actively sold it, I simply used it for the discounted prices, and the Duramax ran 10qts every 10k, plus a top-off of ATF (I used Amsoil Torque-Drive rather than Allison TranSynd) with the trans filter change. Running 40-50k per year, I was going through 40+ quarts of oil... plus my motorcycle and wife's car.
Without the Duramax, and driving a company car, I was only buying oil for the bike and the Rav4, and I found a motorcycle shop about 30 miles from here that occasionally sold 4-quart bottles of MCV for the same price I was buying it direct.

My issue with Amsoil is and always has been their marketing.
Their dealers parrot myths, exaggeration, and misinformation and corporate does nothing to stop it because it sells the product, and legally, Amsoil cannot be held responsible for false claims made by it's dealers unless that information can be traced directly to Amsoil publications.

When I was participating in the Amsoil supply chain, OCI beyond 10k was NEVER recommended without a bypass filtration system, with a change of both the conventional and bypass filters at 10k, as well as UOA. The quart of oil added to replenish what was lost was sufficient to bring the TBN back up to a level sufficient for another 10k.

Now I'm seeing people who have apparently been told by Amsoil dealers that they can run 15-25k without doing anything other than running the Signature oil and an EAO filter. That is foolish without UOA, and with UOA being $30, it's not economical... just change it.

Dealers point to OTR truckers that get 60k on their oil... and they ignore the fact that these trucks are running 5 gallons or more compared to the typical vehicle running a gallon or less. Likewise for the turbine application. They burn .1qt every hour, so that's a quart for every 10 hours. Some flights are 12 hours... what's the capacity of those engines? The size of the sump has a big impact on the life of the oil. The oil simply runs cooler, and is circulated less often.


And the extended OCI is the root of much of my protestations.
Extended OCI was never intended to be a primary benefit of synthetic oils.
Synthetic oil is superior to conventional oil in it's resistance to coking, cold flow performance, film retention, and shear stability.
These things work together to ALLOW extended drain intervals... but when the extended drain interval becomes the primary marketing push, it costs sales because people (wisely) say "I have to change every 5k for my warranty anyways, why should I spend twice as much on oil?"
So we have people on this very forum ignoring the added protection during cold starts and high temps and say "oil is oil if it's changed regularly"

I run nothing but synthetic in all of my vehicles including my dirtbike.
I run factory recommended OCI on all of them (probably more frequently on the dirtbike).

 

My AMSOIL dealer has never led me to believe anything I can't read about myself on AMSOIL's website. It would be dumb of him really when I can easily check it for myself.
I was never left the impression that EOI was the primary benefit. I realize that for me at least, it was a nice bonus. For reasons such as my time and climate concerns I see it as ONE of the benefits. I've always seen EOI used as a counter to the "it cost twice as much" argument .The superiority of the product and the benefits it offers was the sales pitch I got from both my dealer and the website.
There are tons of people no longer under warranty who don't "have" to change every 5,000 and my understanding is that those that are have no worries as long as AMSOIL can't be shown to have caused the failure. They never have been or at least, I can't find any info that says that they ever were.
I guess when dealing with sales people of any kind you do need to be careful. That said, if any one is saying you can go 15-25,000 on the same filter or with out the bypass system then they have no business being a dealer. Anyone can get the proper info from their pamphlet or website, no need to have that much faith in the spoken word.

 

Sounds like you have a decent guy handling your orders.

Not everyone does.

 

Yeah, I suppose it helps that he's a co-worker. He's just doing this on the side so he'll have something to keep him busy when he retires in the not to distant future.

 

if "Porsche" uses Mobil 1 than their is your answer.!!!

 

*there

 

So I've used the Toyota care free oil changes but next oil change I'm gonna do myself. Would yall recommend switching to Mobil 1 full synthetic from whatever brand of dino oil the dealers been using for the first 20k or stick with dino?

 

I run Mobil-1 with OEM filters.

 

Rotella T6 for me on the next oil change

 

I could not agree more.