Carry with a chambered round???

It is possible to have an accidental discharge from a 1911. It would have to be the older series of pistol, with a weak firing pin spring. It would also have to be dropped directly on the crown of the barrel, with enough force to overcome the spring and dent the primer. Given the "perfect storm", yes it could happen.
Possible, but highly unlikely.

The newer series has a firing pin block.

 

I do, 1911 only, I saw a video of a car jacking in which if the driver would not had one chambered, he will be dead now.

 

Bad guys/ gals aren't drawing from a duty holster....

 

Exactly, so it would take even longer than 1.4 seconds for someone to draw from a concealed holster. That is all I was saying. Now if a gunman came into a building drawn and shooting, then that would obviously make it a big disadvantage.

 

Do more research.....I and many more will tell you you're wrong...people can draw and shoot from an appendix carry in less than 1/4 of a sec. dude.

http://www.forcescience.org/shotback2.html
http://www.forcescience.org/tablet/subjectmotions.html?devicelock=tablet
Edit: My opinion is based on research done by others, such as the Force Science Institute which has been recognized as one of the leading expert authorities on this subject matter.

 

Last time I was timed with a buzzer, I drew and hit a target 7 yards away in 1.1 seconds. I started with both hands on my stomach, waited for the buzzer, used a level 3 police holster, and I shot from the hip as soon as the weapon cleared my holster. Another guy in our group with an open holster shot in 0.99. It's hard and takes a lot of practice. I don't think the "draw-and-rack-my-weapon-and-fire" guys really get it... especially when stress and movement will be involved.

 

I think we might be comparing apples to oranges. I did some research on Force Science and came across a biomechanics study that was done. http://www.forcescience.org/biomachanics.html "For instance, the average time to draw and fire one round with a sight picture from a level 1-duty holster is 1.71 seconds. One of the officers with a level 3-duty holster was able to draw and fire one round in 1.37 seconds"

The last half of that page has good info about comparing level 1 and level 3 holsters.

 

I'm not really sure how we became to be comparing anything really. You are bringing "duty holsters" into the equation when I am clearly just pointing out the fact that a bad guy can draw and shoot in less than half a second. In your first post you stated..."Also, if I came across a threat it would take less than a second to chamber a round. Hopefully that microsecond won't be to the threat's advantage." I'm just pointing you in the right direction of the fact that your way of thinking is flawed. That "microsecond" WILL be to the threats advantage because it has been proven that bad guy can draw and fire before you even recognize the threat exists....much less chamber a round. I'm not trying to argue apples and oranges, or apples to apples for that matter. I'm just trying to help a brother out......

 

I agree. I was speaking in terms of a threat drawing from a concealed holster.

 

a duty holster is not a holster an every day joe carries. the Level III stuff is almost ludicrous with the retention and will get you added to the "kilt" list when seconds count.

 

I've also noticed all the people with bad ideas have under 100 post counts. Have we been infiltrated by some faction who is intent on misinformation?

 

It doesn't really matter where, and how the threat is carrying. Holster, no holster. i don't care if the guy has a derringer hidden in his boot, under his foot. The fact remains that before you can recognize the threat exists, he/ she is gonna be able to shoot you, BEFORE you can chamber a round if you are carrying un-chambered... I digress....

 

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the advantage that the threat has is massive.

 

people who dont carry dont have a dog in this hunt. Lots of keyboard commandos out there. The facts are, the police and military carry with a round in the chamber due to the fact that a gun not ready is no better than a rock

 

Chambered round outside the wire, technically supposed to clear it inside (not a lot of people do).

 

too bad there weren't a few more chambered rounds when Hassan decided to shoot up Ft Hood eh?

 

I wouldn't argue with you on this....great point. I'm guilty of not.

 

I carry with one in the chamber, but I can't emphasize enough how pointless this debate is since most people who have a permit either don't carry or don't train.

Hey, I have a fantasy where in my head, chambered or not, something goes down like a movie and then I save the day.

Then real life happens and they choke up or get someone killed.

You mention keyboard commandoes, and I agree, but I would venture that there are concealed carry commandos here who talk about how important it is to carry with one chambered and are no more a threat to some criminal than if they carried a water pistol.

There are also the ones who actually think that no matter the scenario you should just present and shoot the bad guy right away.

 

I am of the, "Shoot when I feel my life is threatened", mindset. I also don't go walking around with my head up my ass thinking of sunshine and flowers. I pay attention to my surroundings. I will avoid problems until it affects my ability to live, or that of others.
I don't train as often as I should. Ammo is pretty damn hard to find for 45ACP. But I do carry as often as I am able. Can't bring it on base, which is BS.

 

... ^^^ ... Common sense practiced in the "old days" ...
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