Oil Filter Damage Control

Ok, here's the situation. My dad, having been a certified machinist and mechanic, has his head set on the fact that those POS fram filters are the next best thing since peanut butter. I know they're crap, you know they're crap, but since he's paying for them, that's what I'm stuck with. On the plus side, the ones he's getting are similar in size to the factory filters, so I'll at least have some amount of filtrating going on. I'm mainly looking for tips to help keep the damage to a minimum until I can convince him to get the Toyota ones from the stealership. Any tips are appreciated, thanks guys.

 

As a mechanic, you should be able to reason with him about the built in check valve the OE filters are designed with to eliminate dry cold starts...
There's a reason Toyota stuff runs to 650. Don't mess with success!

 

Just buy the OEM filters yourself.
$40 for a box of 10.

 

How about the dealership stuff being cheaper in price?
Buy 3 or so and u should see a nice break and get free drain plug gaskets.

For the cost, u can't spare 5 bucks or so and run ur own filter on ur own truck?

 

hmm, i don't have $40, but i might be able to scrape up $6-7 before i need the change, maybe when im out and about i can convince him "since were in the area".... IDK, any ideas on how to get him to said dealership... that's the hard part here...

 

I used Fram oil filters in all my vehicles for many years without any problems. I only switched to Toyota filters recently after reading up on filter comparisons in Tacoma World. The Toyota filter is a better quality filter than Fram for just a couple of buck$ more & yer Dad can get a drain plug washer while at the parts counter. Come on Dad!

 

Couple of bucks?

You were buying Fram filters for $2.40?

 

Yeah, they were pretty cheap at the Kirtland AFB exchange & no sales tax.

 

They're not that expensive... why not just buy your own?

 

Are we missing something here?
If this is ur dads truck than ur gunna just have to respect his decision on what to run on his vehicle.
I don't see why u need him to buy filters and why u need HIM to be the one to get to the dealership for your truck.

Honestly if its his truck, u gotta let him do what he wants... The most u can do is suggest looking at bobistheoilguy and let him come to his own conclusion

 

Run the fram and switch when you can.

 

based on your post, i'd guess your dad thinks pennsoil is the best there is. what i have found in the past 8 years working at 2 different dealers (porsche & bmw) the techs don't know shit from shinola about oil. they use what the parts counter gives them. they don't get any education to speak of about oil in their tech school.

 

Show your dad the info and comparison done on here. Then show him the price difference and if he still resist ask for the cas he would spend on fram and the buy OEM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cttLaWepdL0

 

If your dad is worth his salt as a mechanic, you should be able to show him the real world comparisons between the shit Fram filters and the OEM filters. If he's that stubborn to where he won't listen, and he's paying the bills, you're S.O.L. As you know, the OEM filters are a better filter than the Fram ones. That being said, the Fram filter is still perfectly adequate for your truck. The only thing you could do, if you're really, really concerned, is change the oil more frequently but that gets expensive in a hurry. What oil do you use?

 

Your Dad, certified machinst and mechanic must know less about filters than the "internet experts" huh? FRAM filters are 95-99% efficient depending on model. They ALWAYS have a antidrainback valve when required by the engine maker (that is what it's called, not a "check valve")
We see domestic cars going 500k plus using FRAM all the time (look up Scott Lipford on youtube). Toyota filters have no end caps at all, just saw a display at the dealer showing exactly that. Please take a moment to learn about filtration from sources like the Filter Manufacturers Council instead of hearsay on the internet. Honda, Subaru and General Motors all trust FRAM to make their OE filters, you should listen to your Dad?
If you really want to understand filtration, I would be happy to bring you to the FRAM engineering lab so you can see filter development and testing first hand, my treat. I am the technical director at FRAM, reach me at jay.buckley@framgrp.com

 

Well at least you showed your true colors, you work for Fram! As to your assertions, yes, Fram has an ADBV, but for the same price category, most of your better constructed competitors use Silicone, where Fram uses Nitrile. Anyone who knows anything about rubber knows Silicone is more resistant to weather changes. As for you filtration claims, all major filters filter within 92%-99% based on the filtration material. You say Toyota has no end caps, well I would contend my biggest issue with Fram is that their sorry excuse for end caps is no better, plus the filtration pleats are inconstant at best , the pleats are not uniform and make to filtering medial look sloppy. Finally The basic Fram Range can filter aka the Orange Can of Death has that moniker because many of the garage mechanics know that the filter is junk when compared to other brands. I can purchase a Purolator PureOne filter for the same price as the Orange Can Fram. Fram is the Nike of the filter world, all money, marketing with an inferior product when compared head to head.

I can understand you sticking up for your company, but common bring some real meat to the table, not a marketing ploy. BTW GM filters are made by Champion Labs....maybe in comparison to the Champion E-Core filter Fram stands a chance.

 

Bravo, sir!

 

Well said