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Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by tcBob, Sep 6, 2011.

  1. Aug 22, 2013 at 1:26 PM
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    Slide the boot down? ... toward the tire (with the lower boot)?
    Should it go up the shaft toward the upper boot to stretch the fins and prevent touching?
     
  2. Aug 22, 2013 at 2:34 PM
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    Leave the lower or outer boot alone. The issues on a 1st gen are with the inner boot ONLY.

    Now, just sliding the boot and re-clamping is the "I don't have the time to do it right" or "just temporary till I can do it right" method. The procedure can sorta work, some of the time but there are issues. Doing it as a temp measure will be fine but be aware that once a moderate groove is worn into the boot it will be just a matter of time till it fails. The rub mark on yours looks OK, for now.

    There are 2 issues with the "quick slide".

    1st, the clamp must be tightened to the point of causing trauma to the boot and or cutting of the boot by the clamp edge.

    2nd, the clamped area of the boot must be slid all the way past the edge of the groove to have any chance of staying put. With that much "slide" the "valleys" between the finns are stretched to much and can tear over time.

    For the finns not to touch, only requires about 1/4"-3/8" of silde. More is not better in this case. The yellow line below is as far as it needs to go.

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    Using an internal stop allows the area under the clamp to sit on the edge of the groove. It can not slip back and the boot will stay happy until it rots away.

    If you take the short cut it keep an eye on it. If you do it right then you can forget about it.
    How ever you go, peel off the label and clean clean clean then dry dry dry the shaft.
     
  3. Aug 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM
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    Ive blown both inner and outers, it's helpful to do both boots

    also gotta watch how far you stretch the boot, too far and it'll tear when drooped
     
  4. Aug 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM
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    Define "blown" with respect to your outer boot.
     
  5. Aug 22, 2013 at 2:45 PM
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    The lower boot seems to definitely be rubbing fins as well though...
    I'll take a look at this situation when I get home from PT and will do the upper boots.


    Did your lower boot slide easily? I couldn't get it to slide AT ALL. I see the fins are touching so I know this is no bueno for my boot(s)
     
  6. Aug 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
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    looking for the pic.... but im at work

    wore through on the outer, tore the boot right open
     
  7. Aug 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM
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    nope, it's a PITA

    there's a seal on the boot end from the clamp and the grease, you gotta take something like a small flat head screwdriver and wedge it into the boot (being careful not to tear it) to break the seal, then pull the boot a bit

    it helps to clean the CV shaft beforehand too
     
  8. Aug 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM
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    Damn... sounds real risky. Did it show much improvement for your lower boot in regards to fin rubbing?

    I just don't wanna tear my boots within 10-15k miles.
    Will the fins get any relief once I put my 3-3.5" lift in the rear? (should level it out, or 0.5" rake)
     
  9. Aug 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
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    won't change the front much

    Both of the boots didn't rub, it's definitely worthwhile to do...cause changing boots is also a PITA

    Just gotta watch it. last time I went wheeling, even with the boot slid down so the fins weren't rubbing...Wheeling still rubbed enough to
    [​IMG]
     
  10. Aug 22, 2013 at 3:29 PM
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    Then that'll be my project for tonight.
    It's funny the upper boot is the trouble one with 1st gens. I woulda figured the lower boot being the first to tear cause that looks like it rubs a lot more..
     
  11. Aug 22, 2013 at 3:48 PM
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    Inner and outer are the terms the rest of the world uses.

    The outer boot is a harder compound and as such will be harder to slide. I have done at least 100 re-boots on OEM shafts and never seen any "sealer" on an outer. They can be stuck yes, but not sealed.

    I have to say that I have never heard of outer boots failing due to lift induced rubbing and since I am the one who developed the boot slide 12 years ago, I have heard a lot of boot stories. I would say if your outer boots are rubbing at rest, you have to much spring or not enough weight up front.
     
  12. Aug 22, 2013 at 3:58 PM
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    I'm :confused:, that is an inner and IMO it probably tore because it was slid to far combined with to much lift. A bunch of folks have had that happen. Zero failures when an internal stop is used. You got to re-boot now anyway, try it.
     
  13. Aug 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM
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    I've blown 5 boots, one was an outer. trying to find the pic, but I cant go through my entire gallery since I'm a work

    I cycled the front after I slid it down to check for slippage and to check if I slid it down too far; it was fine, slid it less than a half inch to get the boot out of the way

    But it was already pretty worn, was kinda just a matter of time.

    I'm gonna try the internal stop the next time I blow a boot. ended up swapping the entire CV because of diff seal problems

    I didn't trust myself enough to reboot myself....hence why ive been doing the "easy" slide
     
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    and yes, i hadn't dont boot slides for awhile because im stupid. haha
     
  15. Aug 24, 2013 at 6:51 AM
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    Eh, see my Build Thread sig link. Too many mods to list.
    Ok, so now that I have had my 5100s and Eibachs installed, I have noticed a change. When I start driving and am gaining speed, I feel a vibration. What it feels like to me is the tread from my tires. Is that possible and to be expected? It's not really too bothersome, it's just something new and different and I want to make sure I'm not missing something.
     
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    Could be a number of things. What all did you do to your rig? How'd you lift the rear? Did you drop the carrier bearing at all? It could be a very simple fix. It could be a very costly fix. The search function should be your new BF to figure it out. With the Eibachs, you really need some weight on the front of your truck...if you have none (Skids, Bumper, winch, etc...) your front end may just be a tad high and your cv angle could be the culprit.

    Edit: Is it like a "whaaa whaaa whaaa" vibe?
     
  17. Aug 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM
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    First is the steering wheel shaking or the truck? If it's the steering wheel then it is probably the cv's. If it's the truck, it's probably the carrier bearing. I dropped my carrier bearing by stacking washer's. Cost me like $3.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Aug 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM
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    Eh, see my Build Thread sig link. Too many mods to list.
    The best way I can describe the vibration is this: Imagine you are pulled over on the side of the road and your wheels are on the rumble strip. As your wheels start rolling forward, a slow vibration can be felt that increases in frequency until 30mph when it really can't be felt anymore.

    It's not even as remotely bad as being on a rumble strip however. I don't have swampers or anything super-aggressive, so I'm starting to think my initial hypothesis of "feeling the tread" was incorrect.

    I had 5100's added all around with Eibach coils. Also added 3 leaf progressive AAL pack from Wheelers, diff drop, steering rack/sway bar bushings.

    It's 95% in the truck and just a little bit can be felt in the wheel. I'll try your washer mod first and see if there's a change. That seems like the cheapest/easiest thing to try.

    Thanks!
     
  19. Aug 26, 2013 at 10:31 AM
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    Since we're on the topic of blowing boots galore.... where's the cheapest to get a good boot? Stealership? What do they run for upper/lower boots??
     
  20. Aug 26, 2013 at 11:13 AM
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    Probably auto zone or similar unless you are looking for high angle, or silicone boots. I would imagine they are all the same with something like that. For silicone or high angle you can try all pro offroad. I have the all pro boots and man what a difference. The all pro ones ONLY go on the inside...closest to the diff.
     

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